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JohnSJ

(98,563 posts)
Tue May 13, 2025, 09:57 PM Tuesday

Parkland survivor David Hogg to be ousted from DNC following investigation into his election

"A Democratic National Committee panel has found that gun control activist David Hogg and a colleague were not properly elected to be among its five vice chairs earlier this year, paving the way for their removal.

Hogg, 25, rose to national prominence after surviving the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14, 2018, and co-founding March for Our Lives.

He has since become a vocal political commentator, critical of President Donald Trump and the Democratic Party’s failure to earn the trust of the electorate."

........

A full DNC vote will now be held on the committee’s findings, which could mean new elections being staged, with the same five candidates, including Hogg and Kenyatta, on the ballot once again.

“While this vote was based on how the DNC conducted its officers’ elections, which I had nothing to do with, it is also impossible to ignore the broader context of my work to reform the party which loomed large over this vote,” Hogg responded in a statement.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/parkland-survivor-david-hogg-ousted-132014456.html

While no doubt he had nothing to do with this election impropriety, other than being a survivor of a terrible mass shooting, what are his credentials for the job?

I remember before he gained notoriety, he had been arguing a flawed argument that "both sides" were responsible for the lack of progress on gun legislation, when it was clear to most that there was only one side that was impeding progress on such legislation, and it wasn't the Democrats.

Regardless, it will be interesting how an election that includes all eligible candidates results.

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Parkland survivor David Hogg to be ousted from DNC following investigation into his election (Original Post) JohnSJ Tuesday OP
BAD MOVE: Chasstev365 Tuesday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Melon Tuesday #2
Agree. choie Tuesday #3
It's not only his election that's being "overturned". He's choosing to *make* this about himself rather than a LauraInLA Tuesday #9
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #11
playing well with others is part of what the fucking problem is Skittles Yesterday #21
"Playing well with others", like everything else, may be a benefit or a deficit. You're not wrong, but it's still LauraInLA Yesterday #34
Skittles I couldn't recommend your post enough! choie 16 hrs ago #41
Young people have already sealed their fate with their refusal to JohnSJ Tuesday #6
You can post till you are blue in the face, and not enough people talk about voter apathy. 58Sunliner Yesterday #27
and that won't change until the people who actually are hurt by these policies get off their butt and vote, and JohnSJ Yesterday #30
So if the rules were broken and a woman got screwed out of the position...it's just too bad? tritsofme Tuesday #8
I'd be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 Mountainguy Yesterday #16
There isn't any evidence that young voters care about this Kaleva Yesterday #20
Trump made gains with young voters in 2024 Kaleva Yesterday #19
Yes, dumb move BoRaGard Yesterday #23
Public figures they trust telling them Democrats are corrupt, bribed by oligarchs and billionaires and donors, betsuni Yesterday #25
Is this gonna Traildogbob Tuesday #4
Both Sides... Not Cool. That's what got Mump Cha Tuesday #5
Exactly, Cha. That was the first head slapper he put out . Both sides. Nixie Tuesday #7
Hey Aloha, Nixie... Cha Yesterday #10
Thanks for this, Cha! Great post. Nixie Yesterday #13
Yes Kaylin Free's Bio is Cha Yesterday #14
He can do something else. He was hogging up too much of the spotlight. n/t valleyrogue Yesterday #12
And not in a good way... yorkster Yesterday #15
It's not the job of anyone at DNC to "reshape the party" Mountainguy Yesterday #17
Bad move ibegurpard Yesterday #18
Hogg's political career Lullybuy Yesterday #22
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #36
Despite Hogg's attempts, as well as the media, to center this revote on himself Docreed2003 Yesterday #24
The timing of this seems suspicious 🤨 SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #26
Will Hogg go quietly into the night? cachukis Yesterday #28
I agree with Hogg's goal, I think his strategy is divisive, and I think his victimization is disappointing. CincyDem Yesterday #29
You left out Malcolm Kenyatta JustAnotherGen Yesterday #31
This is why democrats lose. nt Autumn Yesterday #32
Nice headline. Makes it sound like Hogg did something bad when it was procedural travelingthrulife Yesterday #33
The rules of the Democratic Party need to be complied with LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #35
While I'm not a Hogg fan, I feel he will be revengeful if he's ousted Polybius 23 hrs ago #37
It will be an election that involves all the prospective candidates, because the process was screwed up, JohnSJ 23 hrs ago #38
Message auto-removed Name removed 17 hrs ago #39
Well Hi JJ!!! Interesting....I have the same initials? Are GP6971 17 hrs ago #40

Chasstev365

(5,433 posts)
1. BAD MOVE:
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:07 PM
Tuesday

Young people might not turn Republican over it, but they may become cynical and not vote.

Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

choie

(5,440 posts)
3. Agree.
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:19 PM
Tuesday

Funny that the person most outspoken against establishment Dems is having his election questioned.

LauraInLA

(1,948 posts)
9. It's not only his election that's being "overturned". He's choosing to *make* this about himself rather than a
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:41 PM
Tuesday

flawed and exclusionary process that did not abide by the previously set rules. Someone who plays well with others doesn’t make snide public comments that undermine the process they’ve chosen to be a part of. When he first heard of the complaint he (and perhaps Malcolm Kenyatta, as well) could have taken the high road to reflect our party’s stated goals of inclusion.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,952 posts)
11. Agree.
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:36 AM
Yesterday

He's burning bridges while portraying himself as a savior of the Democratic party.

He's got a lot to learn.

Skittles

(164,097 posts)
21. playing well with others is part of what the fucking problem is
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:29 AM
Yesterday

the ineffective folk need to GET OUT OF THE WAY

LauraInLA

(1,948 posts)
34. "Playing well with others", like everything else, may be a benefit or a deficit. You're not wrong, but it's still
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:38 AM
Yesterday

essential for leadership. Being whiny because an election you entered was run incorrectly and has to be redone isn’t courageous or helpful — it’s dismissive of the inclusion goals of the organization. I can imagine Hogg and Kenyatta are very annoyed this was badly done, to put it mildly. But their response to this “crisis” is telling, suggestive of their greater character. I don’t see Kenyatta complaining, though he may be. And it’s important to note that the challenge was lodged well before there was any discussion about Hogg’s behavior as a vice-chair (I can’t remember his exact title).

P.S. Being a disruptor can be important and useful, but it is not in itself an absolute good.

choie

(5,440 posts)
41. Skittles I couldn't recommend your post enough!
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:57 PM
16 hrs ago

That is definitely part of what the fucking problem is. I give you one Charles Schumer.

JohnSJ

(98,563 posts)
6. Young people have already sealed their fate with their refusal to
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:19 PM
Tuesday

vote for Democrats in 2000, 2016, and 2024 when it counted.

We have lost the Supreme Court for at least a generation, and the midterms will not save even if we get both houses of congress, unlikely for the Senate.

Young people have never been a reliable voting block, and I don’t anticipate that will change.

As for David Hogg, unless his views have changed, I don’t see his defund the police, and eliminating ICE, winning elections.

https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/other/dnc-vice-chair-s-posts-calling-to-abolish-ice-and-defund-police/ar-AA1ypfGa




58Sunliner

(5,756 posts)
27. You can post till you are blue in the face, and not enough people talk about voter apathy.
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:44 AM
Yesterday

JohnSJ

(98,563 posts)
30. and that won't change until the people who actually are hurt by these policies get off their butt and vote, and
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:07 AM
Yesterday

even then it isn't a sure thing as evidenced in the 2024 election.

tritsofme

(19,157 posts)
8. So if the rules were broken and a woman got screwed out of the position...it's just too bad?
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:26 PM
Tuesday

Kaleva

(39,320 posts)
20. There isn't any evidence that young voters care about this
Wed May 14, 2025, 03:10 AM
Yesterday

Not in any appreciable numbers.

betsuni

(27,878 posts)
25. Public figures they trust telling them Democrats are corrupt, bribed by oligarchs and billionaires and donors,
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:33 AM
Yesterday

same as Republicans, the establishment rigs primaries and conspires to stop any progress and are terrified of progressives, elites who ignore the working class and no economic policies or message, do nothing: the party must be taken over and Democrats replaced.

Some of the many many lies the uninformed believe, become cynical and not vote or vote third party. Sad that people mindlessly believe lies and conspiracies about Democrats without thinking for themselves or doing a few minutes research. Bad move for the future.

Traildogbob

(11,176 posts)
4. Is this gonna
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:07 PM
Tuesday

Be our The Election was rigged stand???
Damn we can not get a break. There seems to be no glue strong enough for our party. Or the GQP has some amazing glue dissolving solution. 😡

Cha

(310,644 posts)
5. Both Sides... Not Cool. That's what got Mump
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:18 PM
Tuesday

in the WH in the First lace... Stein Lying about both sides the same.

Nixie

(17,666 posts)
7. Exactly, Cha. That was the first head slapper he put out . Both sides.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:25 PM
Tuesday

Good gawd, no. It’s not both sides, no.

He was 16 when T-rump first took office and now he wants to tell our party to do more of the same things that got trump in office to begin with? So tiresome.

Cha

(310,644 posts)
10. Hey Aloha, Nixie...
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:25 AM
Yesterday

Yeah, it doesn't work. And, look at all those voters who got Sucked into the Mump Cult and are now ever so Sorry they had to FAFO.

The Timeline that Gen posted shows that Kaylin Cherie Free... submitted her Challenge for the Results on Feb 28th.. Good on her!

*February 28th – Kayln Free submits her challenge to the results Very clear that the two men were allowed to be voted on twice – whereas the three women were only allowed to be voted on once. The two men start with a +400 vote advantage to reach the 200 votes needed to be selected chair.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20313908

This is who she is... *******

Kalyn Cherie Free is an American attorney, former elected district attorney, and a tribal citizen of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma12. She is the first woman and Native American to be elected district attorney in Oklahoma12. She represents Oklahoma as the National Committeeperson on the Democratic National Committee (DNC

Bing Search



Nixie

(17,666 posts)
13. Thanks for this, Cha! Great post.
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:48 AM
Yesterday

I’m really liking this Kalyn Free. She sounds like a level-headed, fact based team player. Her background is remarkable: Attorney, former elected district attorney, tribal citizen. We need serious and qualified people like her.

👍👍

Cha

(310,644 posts)
14. Yes Kaylin Free's Bio is
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:58 AM
Yesterday

Inspiring!.. and a Native American.. talk about your DEI!

Her name is with an i in Kaylin. I notice because my Grand Niece is Kaylyn!



Mountainguy

(1,840 posts)
17. It's not the job of anyone at DNC to "reshape the party"
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:36 AM
Yesterday

and it's certainly not their job to try to influence primaries. If that's what Hogg wants to do he should focus on working with his PAC.

ibegurpard

(17,052 posts)
18. Bad move
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:55 AM
Yesterday

Ousting someone who's been calling for replacing Democrats who've not stepped up to the plate at this critical time will only deepen dissatisfaction with the party.
And using this questionable premise just looks like an excuse to do so.
It will deepen cynicism and apathy.

Docreed2003

(18,153 posts)
24. Despite Hogg's attempts, as well as the media, to center this revote on himself
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:30 AM
Yesterday

This is NOT about "ousting" David Hogg. This petition was made in an attempt to have the DNC follow their own rules on equity in the selection of vice chairs. While Hogg's position may be in jeopardy with a new vote, so too is Malcom Kenyatta's position. Kenyatta has actually been doing the work of vice chair and working at the grass roots level to build up Democratic support, rather than making himself the center of media attention about the "future of the DNC". Where is this level of outrage over the possibility he could be removed from his position?

SocialDemocrat61

(4,470 posts)
26. The timing of this seems suspicious 🤨
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:38 AM
Yesterday

Has something like this ever happened before to another DNC member?

CincyDem

(7,106 posts)
29. I agree with Hogg's goal, I think his strategy is divisive, and I think his victimization is disappointing.
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:42 AM
Yesterday

Imagine if the headline read:
“DNC panel concludes February election procedures, favoring male candidates…DNC fails to take action”.

The story goes on…

Kalyn Free, the first woman and first Native American elected state prosecutor in Oklahoma, challenged the procedures used in the DNC’s February election for 3 vacant Vice Chair roles. The DNC credentials committee, after months of investigation and review, found merit in her challenge and recommended to the full DNC leadership that new elections be held.

DNC leader Ken Martin thanked the panel for “its exhaustive work” to examine Free’s claims but said “unfortunately, at this time our leadership focus is strategy development for victory in the 2026 mid-terms and we can’t afford to take time to address these findings. What’s done, is done”.

Free, a tribal member of the Choctaw Nation, expressed disappointment at the decision saying “it is surprising to me that leadership of an organization, when presented with facts demonstrating a bias against women candidates was present in their own election procedures, has chosen a business as usual stance”.

Grassroots response to Martin’s decision to ignore the panel’s recommendations has been swift and sharp. Said one commenter on Democratic Underground, a long standing discussion group known for its intelligent, insightful, and often witty take on the pulse of the Democratic party’s rank and file, said “it’s insane that leadership would knowingly let stand an election structurally biased against women, particularly women of color, in today’s world after our experience in 2016 and again in 2024.” To Hogg’s assertion he’s been targeted by the panel as a means of fast tracking his ouster, another commenter said “what’s the big deal? If they like [Hogg’s] ideas for the party and his approach to primaries, he’ll win this election too.”

—————————

Ken Martin did the right thing taking this to the full DNC for a vote. Hogg’s response, independent of his “they’re out to get me” response should have been “while I’m disappointed in the credentials committee findings, I look forward to the opportunity to win, again, a vice chair roles based on my ideas, strategy, and commitment to electing democratic leaders throughout government nationwide”.

travelingthrulife

(2,261 posts)
33. Nice headline. Makes it sound like Hogg did something bad when it was procedural
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:51 AM
Yesterday

screw-up by DNC.

Hope he wins in the new election.

I agree that both sides fell for the pro-gun bs. I remember lots of Democrats holding guns, shooting guns in their campaign ads to prove they were not anti-gun.

LetMyPeopleVote

(163,004 posts)
35. The rules of the Democratic Party need to be complied with
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:26 PM
Yesterday

The party screwed up and elected two males for Executive Vice President when the party rules require one male and one female Executive Vice President. If Hogg can get more votes that Malcome Kenyatta, then he can serve. Here is a good explanation from Malcome Kenyatta


Polybius

(19,904 posts)
37. While I'm not a Hogg fan, I feel he will be revengeful if he's ousted
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:51 PM
23 hrs ago

Like really bad revenge. He might support 3rd Party options.

JohnSJ

(98,563 posts)
38. It will be an election that involves all the prospective candidates, because the process was screwed up,
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:04 PM
23 hrs ago

and it was brought up when it occurred.

It is just setting things properly.

If he wins the position fine, but if he loses, and he actually starts pushing third party candidates, then he will have just revealed himself as not being qualified.

I don't think he will do that, because he will have lost any credibility he ever had, and he is not that naive.

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GP6971

(34,758 posts)
40. Well Hi JJ!!! Interesting....I have the same initials? Are
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:48 PM
17 hrs ago

we related?

What do you get when you cross the words mushroom and cloud?

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