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Diamond_Dog

(36,931 posts)
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:37 PM Tuesday

'Neither of us feel interested': More Americans don't want kids, and it's not just because of the money

(snip)

Societies need to maintain a fertility rate of roughly 2.1 births per woman in order to sustain the population — in other words, to make sure there are enough people to keep the workforce up and running. Fewer babies can mean fewer workers, fewer taxpayers and, as a result, shrinking economies.

These demographic shifts have raised some alarms for economists, as well as certain politicians and public figures who frame the decline as indicative of moral decay. Not wanting kids is “a form of selfishness,” the pope declared in 2022.

The reasons that more Americans say “no” to parenthood are more complex than they often appear, though. Becoming a parent is expensive, but money is not the No. 1 reason given for remaining child-free. In many cases, Americans simply have more options — and realize that they can pursue happiness in other ways.

“I think I was just raised on, ‘This is what success looks like,’ and it’s this traditional family setup,” Job says. “To be able to come out here and see it work 1,000 different ways made me realize I could have that.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/16/why-more-americans-dont-want-kids.html

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'Neither of us feel interested': More Americans don't want kids, and it's not just because of the money (Original Post) Diamond_Dog Tuesday OP
none of my 5 kids has kids. mopinko Tuesday #1
I never had the desire. I always thought there are too many kids that needed adopting and plenty of families having chowder66 Tuesday #2
So many women tell their stories on Reddit..mom pushed me to have kids Demovictory9 Tuesday #9
i wonder how much is not finding a partner or mopinko Tuesday #10
#2 reason I didn't want kids musette_sf Tuesday #19
After divorce, some exes arent accustomed to being fully respponsible for their own kids Demovictory9 Tuesday #21
Only one of my 4 children has kids Mossfern Yesterday #44
i think our moms hid the cost. mopinko Yesterday #47
Message auto-removed Name removed 20 hrs ago #57
I *am* a grandmother Mossfern 19 hrs ago #58
I don't think having kids is a key to happiness Buckeyeblue Tuesday #3
We have to ratchet down the population from 8 billion Ritabert Tuesday #4
Gobally, yes, we have to lower the population, BUT . . . markpkessinger Tuesday #20
Whatever happens it will be gradual Ritabert Tuesday #22
People act like there is no way for anyone to move outside of a country's border travelingthrulife Yesterday #46
The answer to that is.... viva la 21 hrs ago #53
We gave the decision a lot of reflection. Torchlight Tuesday #5
You may not want kids, but Trump and the radtrads at Project 2025... keep_left Tuesday #6
Vance might change his mind if THE MOTHER gets the kids' votes karynnj Tuesday #7
It isn't happening. valleyrogue Tuesday #13
You're certainly correct about that. I probably should have worded... keep_left Tuesday #16
Watching Saturday soccer in 95 degree heat lame54 Tuesday #8
It USED to be rewarding and enjoyable for families back in the day...... Ziggysmom Tuesday #11
No it wasn't. valleyrogue Tuesday #12
There were at least 3 women in our middle class neighborhood who were abused Ritabert Tuesday #14
Agree. When I was younger, a visiting neighbor (with two grown daughters) broke allegorical oracle Yesterday #41
We never wanted kids and, 50+ years later, never regretted it. Vinca Tuesday #15
Same here. GoCubsGo Tuesday #18
I forgot about the babysitting. I hated it too. Vinca Tuesday #25
"we're talking cats and dogs.." DBoon Tuesday #31
More rich, white, privileged whites just need to learn skills and get out of their gated communities and work! Jit423 Tuesday #17
What counts as "real work" in your mind? Hekate Tuesday #24
Or --and this is one reason the US ha remained young in age and vital in ideas --welcome immigrants... Hekate Tuesday #23
Trust me. Having children didn't make my parents happy at all. no_hypocrisy Tuesday #26
People are planning their lives, fearing the future now bucolic_frolic Tuesday #27
We used to call them... JPK Tuesday #28
Yeah, sure beats being a SITCOM: Singe income, two children, oppressive mortgage. Xavier Breath Tuesday #29
Researchers Say Earth Is Headed for "Jaw-Dropping" Population Decline Norrrm Tuesday #30
I await this with bated breath, seeing as how the Earth has over 8 billion humans on it... Hekate 21 hrs ago #49
Everything these days seems to be "jaw dropping" GenThePerservering 21 hrs ago #51
Nice to see an article not promoting the money-is-the-only-motivation-both-sides-bad-neoliberal betsuni Tuesday #32
Not every Boomer is the same. love_katz Tuesday #33
I was criticizing those blaming Democrats and Boomers for all the wrongs of society. betsuni Yesterday #34
Thank you. love_katz Yesterday #36
I don't understand this since the world is vastly overpopulated Meowmee Yesterday #35
A teacher for a psychology class made us question the reasons people give in favor of having kids. love_katz Yesterday #37
What should alarm everyone here k_buddy762 Yesterday #38
Never had kids because I didn't think I'd be a good enough mom. But have been allegorical oracle Yesterday #39
What a stupid and insulting thing to say to another woman. Diamond_Dog Yesterday #40
Me either. Irony is that both of those women had horrible marriages in which allegorical oracle Yesterday #43
Sounds like they were jealous GenThePerservering 21 hrs ago #50
My wife and I didn't have children Johnny2X2X Yesterday #42
What nonsense. There are 8 billion people in the world. There are people begging to be travelingthrulife Yesterday #45
The best reason there is. I don't want to. Mason Williams Ping Tung Yesterday #48
Not sure we need he 2.1 kids for the economy once AI comes into play. Pisces 21 hrs ago #52
I think one important aspect of this campaign to encourage people to senseandsensibility 21 hrs ago #54
I never wanted kids. Never felt any intense leftyladyfrommo 20 hrs ago #55
Yes, it's your life and your decision senseandsensibility 20 hrs ago #56
Some women prefer to use their brains more than their crotches synni 19 hrs ago #59

mopinko

(72,503 posts)
1. none of my 5 kids has kids.
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:15 PM
Tuesday

2 of my girls cant- i aged out, 1 had a hysterectomy for endometriosis. the other wd like 1, but hasnt rly settled into a relationship. she’s 38.
my boys likely wont. 1 cant get settled in life, and hopefully the other knows better.

i feel like i did my job. i didnt hide the toll it all took on me.

chowder66

(10,517 posts)
2. I never had the desire. I always thought there are too many kids that needed adopting and plenty of families having
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:23 PM
Tuesday

several children.

They say we need a workforce for the economy but there won't be an economy when we have depleted our resources.
I'd rather fight 10 people for food and water than 1000.

Demovictory9

(35,715 posts)
9. So many women tell their stories on Reddit..mom pushed me to have kids
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:35 PM
Tuesday

Said she'd help out. Promise wasn't kept. Partner doesn't help..his life continued unchanged.

mopinko

(72,503 posts)
10. i wonder how much is not finding a partner or
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:18 PM
Tuesday

knowing your partner wont b there.
that was a big part of my misery.

musette_sf

(10,388 posts)
19. #2 reason I didn't want kids
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:52 PM
Tuesday

There was no way in hell I was going to do it alone. I’d seen peers with a kid or two, with exes who at best were no help and at worst made things 100% worse. I’d never met anyone that I would completely trust to stay around.

#1 reason was I just flat never wanted kids.

Demovictory9

(35,715 posts)
21. After divorce, some exes arent accustomed to being fully respponsible for their own kids
Tue May 13, 2025, 06:28 PM
Tuesday

They balk at the responsibility..hand it over to their mother or new spouse.

Mossfern

(3,781 posts)
44. Only one of my 4 children has kids
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:19 AM
Yesterday

He's the oldest and lives a more conventional life style. One son's partner doesn't want kids - and she's aging out - he's open to parenthood, but then again they wouldn't be able to travel the way they do.

My daughter is 44 years old, but when she was younger, she pondered on whether she should have a child. I reminded her that if she did, she wouldn't be able to just drop everything and go climbing or skiing at a moment's notice. She did tell me when she was 9 years old that she wasn't going to have kids. I asked her why and her response was "I see what you go through!"

My youngest is in his mid thirties and his life is not stable enough for a serious relationship or children.

I tell people that I didn't have children in order to have grand children - I had/have fun being a mom - and that's enough.

mopinko

(72,503 posts)
47. i think our moms hid the cost.
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:00 PM
Yesterday

my mom ended up supporting the family (there were 7 of us) cuz my dad’s health started failing and he started drinking too much. luckily, she had won a scholarship to business school cuz she was the top of her class in high school. she got a job as a medical secretary when i was in kindergarten. not sure what wd have happened to us if she hadnt. she rly did love her job.
she was so quiet in her struggles, and her triumphs. i didnt know about that til she was in her 70’s. didnt realize how smart she was, even. i shd have. she did the sunday trib crossword in pen, and she was a very, very sharp bridge player.

i dropped out of art school to raise kids, and i couldnt have hidden that if i had tried.

Response to Mossfern (Reply #44)

Mossfern

(3,781 posts)
58. I *am* a grandmother
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:45 PM
19 hrs ago

to two absolutely incredible kids.
I don't think it appropriate to pressure my children to get married or have children of their own.
It's totally their choice.

Welcome to DU,enjoy your stay.

Buckeyeblue

(5,891 posts)
3. I don't think having kids is a key to happiness
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:27 PM
Tuesday

It can be fun, for sure. It can also be stressful and a great deal of work. My kids are 22 and 20. I don't either wants kids. But at that age I didn't either. But as you get older, you sometimes change your mind. My spouse and I have a great relationship. We're fortunate that way. After we were married for a fews years, we thought it would be interesting to have kids. And it has been. Watching them grow and change has been amazing. But sometimes I feel bad for bringing them into this world. They are 22 and 20. They are going to have to live in a world and country that will be on the brink of tyranny for a long time to come. They are smart kids and will figure it out. I just wish they didn't have to navigate our current landscape.

Ritabert

(1,054 posts)
4. We have to ratchet down the population from 8 billion
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

The transition may be rough but the alternative given climate degradation and droughts is not sustainable.

markpkessinger

(8,723 posts)
20. Gobally, yes, we have to lower the population, BUT . . .
Tue May 13, 2025, 06:08 PM
Tuesday

. . . If you try to do that on a national level, you will create an economic disaster.

Ritabert

(1,054 posts)
22. Whatever happens it will be gradual
Tue May 13, 2025, 07:47 PM
Tuesday

And seriously who needs all this crap. I haven't bought new clothes in years. I go to our animal shelter resale shop. They have nice quality virtually new stuff.

travelingthrulife

(2,261 posts)
46. People act like there is no way for anyone to move outside of a country's border
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:35 AM
Yesterday

These are not closed societies. We can accept immigrants.

The GOP wants white babies only though.

viva la

(4,096 posts)
53. The answer to that is....
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:39 PM
21 hrs ago

Immigration. As always.
Adult immigrants... ready, willing, able to work. Not as cute as babies, but more useful right away.

Torchlight

(4,616 posts)
5. We gave the decision a lot of reflection.
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:35 PM
Tuesday

The future of the planet feels far less certain than it did in our childhood, and our quieter way of life seems more naturally suited to fewer people rather than more. We also recognized that choosing not to have children still leaves the door open—while choosing to have them closes it. For us, it felt like the more mindful path.

I have few doubts my g-g-grandfather may have had the same precise doubts, but I have even fewer doubts those negative consequences are much closer to us than they were 100 years ago.

keep_left

(2,886 posts)
6. You may not want kids, but Trump and the radtrads at Project 2025...
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:52 PM
Tuesday

...will force you to have them anyway--not only by outlawing abortion (they're now trying to federalize an abortion ban), but also through total prohibition of contraception. Then there's Trump's ridiculous Putin-inspired "baby boom bonus" ($5k or so) and JD Vance's idea of granting one additional vote per child per parent (so they will outvote singles).

There are any number of entirely rational causes for falling birth rates in technologically advanced societies: time demands from advanced education and training, long work hours, etc. The consolidation of farming and agriculture into large enterprises also has a significant influence. These material realities cannot be simply done away with by rhetorical hand-waving from the radtrad reactionaries at "think" tanks like Project 2025.

karynnj

(60,235 posts)
7. Vance might change his mind if THE MOTHER gets the kids' votes
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:17 PM
Tuesday

I assume Vance might want the husband to get not just the votes of not just the kids, but the wife.

keep_left

(2,886 posts)
16. You're certainly correct about that. I probably should have worded...
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:11 PM
Tuesday

...my response differently. I should have said "Trump and the radtrads at Project 2025 will force you to have [kids] anyway...unless you stop them now!". Because they are hell-bent on forcing a '50s-style dystopia on the country. I say "dystopia" because it will essentially be the social repression of the '50s without any of the upside: minus the high unionization rates, minus full employment with benefits, and minus the world-leading economy. Instead we will get yet more '80s-style trickle-down "voodoo economics", precarious employment with vanishing benefits, and an also-ran economy crippled by the TrumpTax (massive tariffs).

Ziggysmom

(3,786 posts)
11. It USED to be rewarding and enjoyable for families back in the day......
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:33 PM
Tuesday

The family was able to have a pleasant middle class life on ONE parent’s salary. Now you cant afford to buy a home with both parents working. The stress is a killer for parents and kids alike. More people are depressed in America than ever before. Trickle Down Economics my ASS!

valleyrogue

(2,066 posts)
12. No it wasn't.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:37 PM
Tuesday

The era totally sucked for women.

Marriage is on the way out. More women know the whole marriage and kids life is a giant trap, and they want no part of it.

The 1950s are dead. Good riddance.

Ritabert

(1,054 posts)
14. There were at least 3 women in our middle class neighborhood who were abused
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:51 PM
Tuesday

But as kids we didn't know what to do about it. They all got divorced eventually. If I were young I wouldn't get married nowadays.

allegorical oracle

(4,869 posts)
41. Agree. When I was younger, a visiting neighbor (with two grown daughters) broke
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:48 AM
Yesterday

down and cried. She loved her daughters, but wondered what she could've done in her life if she hadn't had children -- she had so many things she wanted to do, but never got the chance.

Vinca

(52,038 posts)
15. We never wanted kids and, 50+ years later, never regretted it.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:06 PM
Tuesday

I really don't understand the current GOP urging to breed. Why would a kid be happy in a home that didn't really want them?

GoCubsGo

(33,813 posts)
18. Same here.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:42 PM
Tuesday

I knew before I even understood reproduction that I didn't like, nor ever want kids. I didn't even like babysitting, and can count on one hand the number of times I did so--with fingers left over. Been told more than once that I make a great parent. No. I wouldn't. Not unless we're talking cats and dogs...

As for the GOP push to breed, it's all about producing lots of cheap labor. They want us to be like China, where we're all just worker drones here to serve them.

DBoon

(23,696 posts)
31. "we're talking cats and dogs.."
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:57 PM
Tuesday

I heard a joke that many pediatricians switch to becoming veterinarians - they are the less likely to be bit by their patients

Jit423

(1,337 posts)
17. More rich, white, privileged whites just need to learn skills and get out of their gated communities and work!
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:14 PM
Tuesday

That would solve the worker needs of the country. Problem is, most of them are not good at learning skills and doing real work.

Hekate

(97,586 posts)
23. Or --and this is one reason the US ha remained young in age and vital in ideas --welcome immigrants...
Tue May 13, 2025, 08:17 PM
Tuesday

Welcome immigrants

no_hypocrisy

(51,510 posts)
26. Trust me. Having children didn't make my parents happy at all.
Tue May 13, 2025, 08:55 PM
Tuesday

Both of my siblings didn't have children for reproductive frustrations. I chose "safe sex" because I knew our father would weaponize my children against me. You don't enhance a dysfunctional family.

And Dad (Bless his heart!) sought his retribution upon us by disinheriting all of us for not continuing the family legacy. Our surname will die out with me and my brother.

bucolic_frolic

(50,323 posts)
27. People are planning their lives, fearing the future now
Tue May 13, 2025, 08:55 PM
Tuesday

Life is not a 90 minute movie.

Do people want their kids to face this future?

Norrrm

(1,490 posts)
30. Researchers Say Earth Is Headed for "Jaw-Dropping" Population Decline
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:11 PM
Tuesday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213773273

--------------------------------------------
China, Japan, and S Korea have had booming economies, but their birth rate is decreasing.

S Korea has a negative birth rate for sustaining their population.

Hekate

(97,586 posts)
49. I await this with bated breath, seeing as how the Earth has over 8 billion humans on it...
Wed May 14, 2025, 03:50 PM
21 hrs ago

…and it is likely to take quite some time before such an event is even noticeable.

betsuni

(27,878 posts)
32. Nice to see an article not promoting the money-is-the-only-motivation-both-sides-bad-neoliberal
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:01 PM
Tuesday

thing as if the only reason fewer people are having children or buying houses is because it's too expensive so Thanks, Democrats! Thanks, Boomers!

Obviously it's not so simple and not only the U.S.

love_katz

(3,047 posts)
33. Not every Boomer is the same.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:52 PM
Tuesday

I walked the uncommon road: I figured out by age 16 that I didn't want to have kids. I figured out at an early age that the whole television fantasy of having kids was the key to a happy life was a delusion and that the majority of the workload fell on the woman . My love for nature and grief for the lands destruction added to my many reasons to avoid breeding.
I didn't get a college education, and had to live as best I could on dead end low wage jobs with few or no benefits.
None of this makes me some kind of entitled person, who had everything handed to me on a silver platter, who wilfully went on a campaign to ruin life for future generations.
Like many people my age, I have fought for social justice and healing and restoration of the life support systems of our planet.
It really pisses me off to be accused of all that is wrong with our society. Maybe you are too young to have experienced what it was like to face off with the most powerful government of the richest country in the world? People in my parents generation wanted us shot and/or beaten and tear gassed by the cops and the military, because we dared to march and demonstrate against greed and injustice. The anniversary of the shootings at Kent State was May 4th, and the shootings at Jackson State just a few days later.
It's too bad that we couldn't fix everything that is wrong with the world, so that future generations wouldn't have to make any effort, but we didn't get handed a perfect society either.
My point is that it doesn't do any good to heap all the blame on one generation. The same bigots and greed heads who caused all the suffering and injustice back then are the same septic sacks of $hit who are supporting the regime and their drive for total dictatorship.
Not trying to be trite, but we're all stuck with trying to work together to push back against what seems like a juggernaut.

betsuni

(27,878 posts)
34. I was criticizing those blaming Democrats and Boomers for all the wrongs of society.
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:24 AM
Yesterday

Meowmee

(9,085 posts)
35. I don't understand this since the world is vastly overpopulated
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:28 AM
Yesterday

We can't seem to feed or take care of the people that are here, why have even more?

There could be many reasons not to have children, finances I think really are and should be number one. Health issues for both the parent and children, not being or feeling able to for whatever reasons, not wanting to, not wanting to contribute to over population, and so many others.

love_katz

(3,047 posts)
37. A teacher for a psychology class made us question the reasons people give in favor of having kids.
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:33 AM
Yesterday

What we found was that most of the reasons people give don't make sense.
There's only one reason to decide to have children: you love them and are willing to spend the next 18 years per child (at a minimum) investing all of your time, money, and energy in order to give your kids the best launch into their own lives. You will commit to putting them first.
Not everyone is capable of doing that, and society should not guilt trip people into being parents if they don't want to make that commitment.
I agree that it appears that humans have exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. The laws of physics are not going to be violated, just for the sole benefit of humans. Over 8 billion people and counting. It's not sustainable, and I believe that the other beings on this planet have a right to life. Systems that are built on endless uncontrolled growth are no more supportive of life than the disease cancer is. We need to find a better way, a sustainable way.

k_buddy762

(114 posts)
38. What should alarm everyone here
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:24 AM
Yesterday

is that the right is having more children than the left. So unless there is ideological conversion happening along the way, one breed is a dying breed (literally) while the other breed is a blossoming one.

I have two kids, and seeing them mature into adulthood has been the single greatest joy of my life. I have also helped raise five other kids, and feel the same way about them.

allegorical oracle

(4,869 posts)
39. Never had kids because I didn't think I'd be a good enough mom. But have been
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:36 AM
Yesterday

disappointed that close women friends have criticized me for my decision. Two, over the years, have told me "You're not a real woman unless you've had a baby." Found those remarks very offensive.

Diamond_Dog

(36,931 posts)
40. What a stupid and insulting thing to say to another woman.
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:47 AM
Yesterday

I have kids but I wouldn’t dream of saying that to another woman, let alone a friend.

allegorical oracle

(4,869 posts)
43. Me either. Irony is that both of those women had horrible marriages in which
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:59 AM
Yesterday

they were miserable...didn't tell them, but felt sorry for them.

GenThePerservering

(2,846 posts)
50. Sounds like they were jealous
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:17 PM
21 hrs ago

and wanted company in their misery. Poor things, resorting to juvenile comments like that.

Johnny2X2X

(22,862 posts)
42. My wife and I didn't have children
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:58 AM
Yesterday

We dnever wanted them, but we thought about it some, everyone does. And I do feel like there's things I missed out on, especially when I'm playing with my young nieces.

But we were just never in a place where we felt we could be the parents that our kids deserved, and now it's too late and we're just comfortable with our decisions. I do not believe the children are inheriting a free country anymore, previous generations pissed the greatness of America away. I fear for the wellbeing of my young nieces and nephews.

The one thing I do worry for is old age though. We are taking care of a lot for my elderly parents right now and there won't be anyone to do the same for us. But that's no reason on its own to have children.

travelingthrulife

(2,261 posts)
45. What nonsense. There are 8 billion people in the world. There are people begging to be
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:26 AM
Yesterday

citizens in this country. This forcing women to make babies has to end.

We can easily maintain our "society" by increasing immigration.

Ping Tung

(2,347 posts)
48. The best reason there is. I don't want to. Mason Williams
Wed May 14, 2025, 12:05 PM
Yesterday

My wife and I decided not to have kids 45 years ago because we didn't want to.

senseandsensibility

(22,030 posts)
54. I think one important aspect of this campaign to encourage people to
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:44 PM
21 hrs ago

have kids is that it's what the billionaires want. They want more workers so that there is competition for jobs and they can pay less, and they want these workers to fund the safety net. Billionaires throughout the world (South Korea, Japan, some European countries) as well as here are scared that they will be asked to contribute more in taxes if there are fewer people to support the aging population. Some are quite explicit about it.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,743 posts)
55. I never wanted kids. Never felt any intense
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:00 PM
20 hrs ago

emotions . But I have known women who desperately wanted kids. I think that initial intensity dies down after they actually find out that kids are really hard work.

senseandsensibility

(22,030 posts)
56. Yes, it's your life and your decision
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:06 PM
20 hrs ago

and that should be the end of the matter. But my point was that billionaires are injecting this controversy into the culture because they want a higher birth rate for their own economic benefit.

synni

(318 posts)
59. Some women prefer to use their brains more than their crotches
Wed May 14, 2025, 06:10 PM
19 hrs ago

Of course, Republican men can't handle that....

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