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It will cause more people to lose faith in the party.

Whether you think Hogg should go or you think he should stay, this is all on the DNC leadership. They put him in that role, and now they are trying to remove him.

I’m old as dirt and i strongly believe that we need young voices. I respect what that group of young people accomplished in getting attention on gun control.

The DNC doesn’t have a good track record, they selected tulsi gabbard and kept her for FOUR years.

He just has to be taught the art of working within the system.

He should be working with other Democrats to get rid of republicans, not incumbent Dems. He will weaken our party. This is not the time to primary any Democrats.

… the mantra of the feckless incumbent.

Go find some republicans to primary.

little things like control of EITHER chamber in congress.
So, there is that ...
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Nothing in particular against David Hogg. DO have some problems with facile statement ... - - - - - - - -

We do need to concentrate on flipping seats first.

On the other hand, Ken Martin needs to learn to work with people who don't see eye to eye with him. I know people who got pushed out of DFL positions because they clashed with him. In those cases it was volunteer positions in local party units.

Counter-productive not to do both/

We are over here minding our own Black business. . . he can focus on white districts. The CBC has always been the gold standard bearers for the Democratic Party.

Go into majority white districts and play this this game.

You want a revolt?

Watch the GOP put up Black female candidates to go up against the dudes.

I know my sister would vote for the Black women regardless of affiliation out of spite. She would do it. I've never known her to say something she didn't mean. And she has said it. She cannot be reasoned with. And she's been a registered Democratic active voter, gotv'er, registration drive faithful for 37 years.

As for President - she's like me - a White Male with a big mouth needs to be the candidate in 2028. She has five granddaughters and one grandson - mixtures of Black American, Latina/o and African immigrant. She's not giving an inch when it comes to her grands being sent back to 1919. And I believe she's right . . .

I don't think the average young white American male (30 and under) really understands what is at stake for the non-white children in America. They don't get it, because they don't have the intergenerational trauma to overcome.

Have you looked at his interviews? Read exactly what he's proposing? Sound bites and the uninformed baseless opinions of the masses can't be trusted when making decisions.

If you are fully informed, please share where you got the information you're using for your decision making so we can all take a look. Thanks.



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to primary Democrats. There is not, and has never been, any prohibition against primary challenge. Nor against outside funding and backing for same. (if you can line it up)

The party needs to find its footing somewhere, somehow and fast.

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If our current congressional rep is just a placeholder ....then time to be replaced is this concept by David Hogg that I support.

Our failure to prevent a second term tRump is evidence.

Their strategy is to only primary democrats that are not productive and not fighting and are in non-competitive districts. I totally agree with that strategy. And I agree with you that we shouldn’t weaken incumbents in competitive districts with primary opponents.

people you need to go.

Chuck Schumer and Kristen Gillibrand need to go. Schumer is ineffective and I’ll never forgive Gillibrand for what she did to Al Franken.

Hogg gets a great job as VP of the DNC. Then he announces that he will use money to get rid of incumbent Dems. Hogg has his own organization that is working to get rid of incumbent Dems. If that is what he wants to do, he should resign or be fired. He can't serve 2 masters,

Look how weak the Democratic Party is at present.

Past time to get better candidates.

DNC does not have a spotless history.

Of course, the party apparatus fought her all the way, even after she won the primary.

sorry should have included sarcasm tag.

And they'll do it to her again if she tries to primary Schumer. She is a threat to their power structure. Yes, the republicans are worse in many ways, but we do have folks on the democratic side who cling to old structures too. My assessment is it is mainly due to campaign finance issues. We have some very powerful donors at the top who may be more liberal on social issues but have little interest in fighting capitalism as a system.

And what we got from the old is two Trump's in the WH as a grifter with no shame or constraints from fellow RNC cowards.

Earl G did a really good OP after the election about how we are in vacuums in this country in terms of media.

We have the old school dems using older methods that worked for many years. Carville was a star for Bill Clinton, but folks I was in my 20's when we were all in Washington - and now I'm almost 60. It was decades ago.

The republicans with their billionaire budgets (literally) have taken over mainstream media and created a cult of supporters for Trump. Breaking through that will not be easy - esp. when you factor in their cheating - but it definitely won't be done by folks using old methods.

We need folks like David Hogg and others (no matter their age) - who see clearly what has happened and support new methods. I have mentioned before that I back Meidas. I'm not really a podcast person but I downloaded it on my phone and subscribed to their network. They won't be perfect, but they are getting the views - they are young enough (esp. Brett & Jordy) to get their message out to all ages. With Ben doing his more traditional talks and the younger brothers getting it out on Tik tok etc - democrats can get through. If a third of the potential voters didn't even make it to the polls - we need to find them and get them there!

Almost a daily occurrence, now.

Realistically, it looks like there’s going to be a split either way. Will they can Hogg now for the benefit of the old guard or allow Hogg to proceed with plans to reinvigorate the Party?

You’re right and I also prefer renewal, but will big money follow his lead?

Time to run Democrats against Republicans. Maybe that is the path back to the Majority, using resources to beat Republicans.

We need boldness and some risk taking, not "do it as usual." Stop bringing a knife to a gunfight.

So do this and get the old school thinkers out.

Not the House, Clearly not the Senate and not the Whitehouse. This is a great plan to stay in the minority with no power or ability to affect change or to protect those in need. The Humphrey Moral Test of Government.

The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children;

those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly;

and those who are in shadows of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped.

Hubert H. Humphrey

to many - and particularly those that have some experience and perspective.

Trump is back in office because Democratic politicians wanted to play old school politics instead of seeing things for what they were. A couple of bold, risky moves, like packing the Supreme Court, and Trump has no pathway back to the White House. Makes me think they are more interested into hanging on to their seats and traditions than serving the people. Sure looks that way.

People are tired of this gridlock, and change is one of the reasons Trump even stands a chance at all. WE need educated change, not stupid change.

Keep it up David. You've got my support, and you have every dime of my regular contribution to Democratic candidates, for whatever it is worth. Stand up stand firm and get this done, it's time to dump the garbage and win some elections.

You hit all the high points. Trouble is - and again - I don't think there's a single element of it that I truly agree with.

It’s time for term limits. Both Democrats and Republicans are primarily concerned in keeping their seats.

firing people across the board whether they deserve it or not. Lets fire the ones who deserve to be fired, and keep the ones who don't.

Should we have term limited Tip O'Neill? Nancy Pelosi? John Lewis? Bernie Sanders? Would we have the best and the brightest, people who want to legislate instead of parlay their experience into a cushy lobbying job?
I'm for term limiting executives and letting legislators become experts.

Terms limits doesn't solve the problem of the DNC wanting to put their thumb on the scale of primaries one way or the other.

Term limits only help Republicans. They can put any random seat warmer in office and just tell them how to vote.

have their pet monkeys in the congress on both sides that they can buy and they aren't going to get rid of the ones who play the money game . Their pets do their bidding while having the ability to persuade the public that they are being helped while they are actually being screwed .

And primarying DO-Nothing Dems in Congress seems likelier to improve the brand than otherwise. It’s the business as usual thing that is causing the falling approval ratings, IMO. The fighters are popular.

AOC is a great example.

I'm not saying all the older Democratic Reps and Senators need to resign or not run for re-election although some should, but they need to work diligently with the under 50 Dems and give then voice and responsibility. THEY ARE OUR FUTURE!

BTW I am in the older than 75 crowd.

And take down a Republican incumbent.

the North Philadelphia PA House Member is at risk in this re-vote too.

IE- Kenyatta knows how to run - and win.

He has run in a purple state.

I like the guy and he's wise beyond his years in a lot of ways. But we need to unify the party, not fracture it.

Look, the Democratic party is not the only workplace where people are not giving as much value to age and experience as we used to. We live in a disruptive time marred by inorganic change, which is frightening to a lot of people. I like a mix of age and experience with youth and energy in almost every environment. That's why guilds and then unions worked. People started as apprentices, then became journeyman, and so on, carefully training as they moved up.

Now the model seems to be taking shortcuts and jumping the line. That's a broad brush example, I know. Some people don't even want to move up in the line and some people obviously have the talent to get ahead faster.

I agree with trying to flip districts instead of primarying people in safe districts. Among other things, people who have been in office longer have formed alliances we probably don't even know of, and have learned a lot of the unspoken rules.

I am firmly against term limits in Congress. We like people in other professions to have experience. I don't know how to strike the correct balance but I don't think it's helpful to get rid of all the seasoned pols.

And there are term limits in Congress every 2 years in the House and every 6 in the Senate.

Forcing him back into a district where he experienced terrible violence seems cruel unless he’s ready to go.

It feels like this suggestion always comes up when Hogg gets mentioned without anyone acknowledging he’s never gone back there to live after he graduated. I’m guessing there’s a reason for that (ptsd) and making this some kind of litmus test for his credibility or commitment to Dems feels… off

PTSD is real, it is frightening to go back to where the trauma occurred.
Let him take his money and go someplace other than Florida and run for office. Take on a Republican in New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Michigan, there are plenty of republicans out there

He’s been living in DC since he graduated from university.

This demand that Hogg run for a seat “somewhere” to prove himself a “good” Dem is altogether wrong imo.

Plenty of effective Dems (Shannon Watts, George Takei, Beyoncé, Michelle Obama, Taylor Swift, Chasten Buttigieg, Mark Cuban - hell even George Soros ) never run for office and demanding that someone run “somewhere” is really shortsighted. He’s been fairly effective and focused on gun control - if he never runs for office and continues pursing that along with being a Dem booster it would be enough imo

With no experience and a spotty record of use of money in political activities because…….

I don’t think so, I would rather follow someone who has some experience.

If David wants to challenge Democrats, he should do it with out the blessings and tools of the Democratic Party.

And challenging stale representatives to get in the fight.

I think a lot of young (and old) people agree with that and we diss that sentiment at our peril.

We don’t need to castigate him or make unreasonable demands of him that we don’t impose on any other Dem non-office-holder. AOC was 27 when she first started out and look at her now. She decided to jump in without any experience either as have many other new faces.

You seem to be imposing some kind of arbitrary age/experience requirement of our youngest Dems. That stinks

Officials of the Democratic National Committee should not be advocating running against Democrats. I am blaming that on his youth and inexperience. I also feel that his plan flies against the rules of the post he holds.

I’m for all ideas that motivate and energize Dems to fight this fascism.

Sorry but sternly worded letters (for ex) are not going to cut it. Waiting for Trump and the GOP to shoot themselves in the foot (Carville and other establishment Democrats’ idea) is also a terrible idea.

I’d be thrilled if Schumer and other Dems were challenged tbh. I’m not alone. Throwing out young Dems who are thinking out of the box is a massive turnoff (as is demanding they be held to an impossible standard like “go back to FL and turn it blue before we listen to you”).

off the lawn and out of your party.

Tell the younger people that they are not wanted. I'm sure that's the perfect way to win elections.

And endorsing younger ones to take their places. Schumer is just getting too old, he doesn’t want to rock the boat and boat needs some water in it to scare the rowers so they row a bit harder for shore. We need fighters. Young fighters.

I hope he changes his mind.

There is a lot of New York that is not New York City, hell the city is getting ready to elect a more moderate candidate. AOC in up state NY…. Not a given. We have seen what the pursuit of liberal perfection has cost us in the past.

He's sufficiently moderate and has some guts. He'd also be great on the judiciary committee

That falls into one of those " tell me you are from New York with out telling me you are from New York" lines.

...strategy to protect their oldest members. That's not going to save us from this fascism....

So demographics should be on our side for gun regulations and reforms. Hogg can get that constituency to turn out and vote for Dems.

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Choice might be more important to them I would hope.

The oldy moldy career politicians are not cutting the mustard for the democrats. Voters desire change. They always desire change. We need some new folks who are willing to take a stand. We need young people who will fight for the American dream that has been ripped away from them. Housing reform would be at the top of the list if I was young. There is no affordable rent in this country. I deeply impacts our younger voters.

We need some fresh faces, people with new ideas, and people who are willing to stand up and speak out against all the nonsense the maga movement is doing. I'm not seeing nearly enough of that, and its not a good look for the status quo democrats that say nothing publicly, and just hope that whatever backroom deals they're working on have some effect. We need more activists, more people who'll advocate for the real values on the democratic party, and not so much for the powers that be.
There's been a steady march rightward with a lot of establishment democrats over the past 25 years or so, and we need to reverse that.

His Leaders We Deserve PAC has been instrumental in getting a few young legislators into statehouses.

My understanding of 'rebuilding' may differ from yours or that of others. Personally, I find it challenging to align myself with any type of 'destroy-to-rebuild' philosophy (or similar) which are advocated by the 'Justice Democrats' or the approach taken by the 'Our Revolution' movement. While I acknowledge that these perspectives resonate with many, I personally find the idea of discarding everything in pursuit of change to be too extreme for my preferences. Tossing the baby out with the bathwater is never a good idea.

before and plans to do it again . He can show how good he is through that group. Or run himself.

So far he just says to target democrats in places that vote mostly democratic. I guess getting different democrats in democratic areas is what is supposed to result in people in red areas voting democratic. He also hasn't named who he wants to target.

Someone needs to tell him that the object is to replace Republicans with Democrats!! His plan of replace a Democrat with a Democrat is a zero-sum game that does absolutely NOTHING to give us control of either house of congress.

This is why experience is important. Cooler heads prevail, thoughtful planning is best, but making hasty or emotionally driven decisions does not always benefit the party.

Not the job!

We all need to blast the DNC with our support.

But I've read a lot about David Hogg that leaves me troubled. No question, he lived through a horrific event which has shaped his world view and his approach. But I've also read that he is brash, full of himself, shallow, and a bit of a grifter (raised $11 million for some cause, but they only received $3 million). Not willing to hitch my wagon to that falling star just yet.

gosh - now where have I heard words similar - in describing ...

Hell I’ve even heard those comments about AOC…

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Of course - you couldn't PAY me to enter into any sort of business relationship with an individual I judged as such.
But, hey - 'long as we're just talkin' politics ...

And definitely self-centered etc etc.

I object to your insinuations that David Hogg is similar to Traitor. That’s bullshit.

It also puts Malcom Kenyatta at risk - and he's a man who has actually RAN and WON. IE - he knows what it takes as a YOUNG Dem to run and get elected. He's successfully transferred ideas to helping people in North Philadelphia be heard in Scranton.

We need new young leadership and new ideas. Right now we look stagnant. Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries out there "leading" in the Senate and the House, with the perception they are doing absolutely nothing. Absolutely no clear leader of the party. If we keep going like this heading into 2026 and 2028, we will lose again. Trump is awful, but he is STRONG. Many voters respond to strength. Right now we have no strong leaders who are stepping out in front to lead the party. And the DNC trying to get rid of someone like Hogg who is trying to make changes... isn't a good look.

Any politician that is afraid of being primaried, might want to think of stepping down?

If the voters choose another candidate over them, then that is democracy. We need new blood from time to time.

If they are doing a good job, the voters will keep them in their positions.

I think primaries are a good thing, not a bad thing.

GOPigs.

... has to be figured into the equation. It might indicate that there needs to be some change somewhere?

But I think this is a time that the Party has to change out of necessity. Not because they have done anything terribly wrong policy-wise, but because they have failed to prevent the Republican opposition from using their propaganda messaging to tear down the status-quo Democrats. We have been reactive instead or pro-active. For example, they were able to portray Joe Biden as too old and senile to be the President, even though Donald Trump is older right now than Joe Biden was at the same time in his Presidency.

We have to re-build out of necessity. In my opinion, we need youth, passion, and a populist message.

status quo and business as usual. This is no time for that.

The status quo has got to go. Especially it's buddy, "incrementalism"! If the Democratic Party doesn't figure this out and get going, our country really is toast. We need to adopt a huge dose of anti-oligarchism, get the lead out once and for all, put the pedal to the metal and never look back through the rear view mirror, except in history books.

rating may make it more difficult to be "the party the voters hate the least."

Problem is there is a subset of progressives that don't know what PROGRESSIVE means and instead thinks it means "perfectionist that stays pure by fighting for everything and getting nothing."

If someone considers themselves a progressive but has accomplished as much for progressive causes as fucking Republicans, then, yeah, you ain't a progressive and, yeah, that type of progressive probably doesn't have much in common with the Democratic Party which has actually secured actual and substantive progressive victories for tens of millions like myself.

The rest of the world is shocked that Clinton and Biden had progressive attached to them. AOC is a progressive. Biden wasn't.

was not even close to being progressive.

But that's not what the word means! Only they use it that way, a weaponized password to get into the exclusive purity club. It's an identity thing.

No compromise or incrementalism (why liberal Democrats get progressive policies done, they compromise because that's what passing legislature requires). All or nothing, righteous purity intact (no responsibility!). Transformative revolution only. Stunning overconfidence that THIS TIME all or nothing will work because The People will see they are right (sternly worded speeches and rallies) and follow. When it doesn't work the only possible reason is because the corrupt Democratic establishment conspires to stop at nothing to thwart them, they are TERRIFIED.

Purity testing demonizes Democrats who don't pass the test, instantly depriving them of the coveted "progressive" label.

The ends justify the means: slander, lies, conspiracies about Democrats are fine because they, the enemy, must be defeated.

Every motivation is money except for the pure whose money is non corrupting grassroots.

that has specific policies in mind and the mainstream wants to use progressive to mean anything that is socially liberal.

To argue that Clinton and Biden are progressives is laughable. They are clearly Democrats. I'm not arguing that. But they aren't progressives.

100% agreed. The DNC just can't seem to help itself. They're gonna screw things up......again.

Like when he noticed the adults couldn't budge the elected officials in Washington to do a thing like ban assault weapons in order to protect children who were getting massacred in incident after incident in fucking school -- a public institution paid for by the public and protected by law.

Hogg is trying, which is a hell of a lot more than a lot of those in Washington and our state capitals do.

of “defund the police”, and eliminating ICE.

Wholeheartedly support his voice and ideas within the Democratic Party.
Any elected Dems who are not working full out to protect our country and fighting to oppose Maga takeover can see themselves to the door. We need a genuine Opposition party.

2000 and 2016?

They are the future? If they didn't even realize what a threat trump was the second time in 2024, especially after what happened on January 6th, that doesn't say very much.

Yeah, they will be the future, but anyone who believes they will be the "saviors" of our democracy I think is only fooling themselves.

2024 was the make or break for everything, and they, among others did not materialize when it counted.

We have lost the Supreme Court for a generation. Even if we were fortunate to win the midterms in 2026, and that is a big if for the Senate, the best that we can hope for is to slow down the damage, because trump and his thugs will be with us for at least 4 years. Even if we had the votes to impeach, which we won't, it won't get rid of the extreme right wing agenda, because the line of succession is made up of right wing thugs. Vance, Johnson, and the pro tempore of the Senate.

The ONLY way we have a chance is to follow the Howard Dean 50-state strategy, and that means getting independents on board. That includes ALL demographics.

DNC Vice Chair and intend to stay on as head of Leaders We Deserve.
I'd like to see both Malcolm Kenyatta and Kalyn Free as Vice-Chairs if that's a possibility.
As was said upthread, run Democrats against Republicans. If David Hogg wants to raise 20 million for primary races of his choosing, he should not do so as a DNC Vice-Chair.