The underlying history is long, complicated, and often ugly: it involves wide-spread anti-semitism (especially in Russia and Germany), the Western politics of petrol, the machinations of UK foreign policy throughout the 20th century, rightwing islamic intolerance, rightwing israeli intolerance, and the messy dynamics of Israel as the only democracy in the region

This does not yield easily to ideological sloganeering

A messy, intractable situation.

(that is, Iranian-backed death-to-Israel terrorists) who then organized a terrorist attack on innocent civilians, with entirely predictable results

People are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their actions; and we should suspect the October attacks were planned in the hopes of generating a dreadful response -- since the use of hospitals to stash terrorists and hostages (say) could only result in horror stories

There are potertial solutions but they are all long, difficult, expensive aand dangerous -- and require an almost saintly transcendence from many actors, which is difficult when so many are hurting on all sides or have such deep and stupid ideological commitments

The last election was 18 years ago.

You’re repeating Israeli propaganda.

Remember that Netanyahu is the one who funded Hamas in the first place in an effort to undermine the Palestinian authority. Your blaming civilians who has nothing to do with creating or voting for Hamas is immoral.

to ensure that Hamas won that election because it suited his goal to keep Palestinians from ever having a state.

Also, most of the people in Gaza today were not even old enough to vote in the last election.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/

According to the Times, Israeli intelligence agents traveled into Gaza with a Qatari official carrying suitcases filled with cash to disperse money. Retired Israeli general Shlomo Brom described the logic of Netanyahu’s position: “One effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.” If the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza, then the Palestinian Authority—a compromised comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bank—would be further weakened. This, according to Brom, would allow Netanyahu to say, “I have no partner.”

In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”

the largest "body count" in that region... and incredibly ironic that the main victims of the German nazis,
are now responsible for this.


Sad but true.


If they want to continue that, I think they can do it without our money.

International empathy to pariah nation from it's obvious desire to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank.

Netanyahu's plane, when traveling, has to fly carefully to avoid flying in air space of some countries because he's been declared a war criminal by ICC.

ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas ...

Nov 21, 2024 · The UN-backed International Criminal Court (ICC) on Thursday issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defence minister Yoav Gallant, together with Hamas.

Can things get any worse. My God, Israel, kick the warmonger to the curb and seek a ceasefire, which he has broken.

Be it those of the East who want the Israelis gone from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, and those of East who want the Ukrainians gone from the Dnieper to the Black.

Specifics differ, of course. But the idea that land from the river to the sea should be ceded certainly does seem to have some measure of bipartisan appeal.

to mean the same region being cleansed of Palestinians.

The same attitudes can be found on both sides, but only one side likely has the ability to actually enact it.

"His criminal trial was set to begin on May 24, 2020, but was delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
As of April, 2023, the criminal trial was still ongoing." (Wikipedia)

Cede power to the Palestinian Authority. Let them take over Gaza and this can be ended. It's a simple solution to a problem from hell. I have no hope any of the remaining folks who were kidnapped by Hamas will return to their families. But - I also believe that Israel should be able to hold a grudge for a long time. Hit me once . . .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20270737

Very interesting article.

But I don't think Hamas will ever "cede power to the PA"

The best the Palestinians can hope for is if Netanyahu dies, or is somehow removed from office, a more moderate Israeli government could call for a permanent ceasefire.

(And convicted on all charges, hopefully)

In the meantime, you aren't going to get this Black American woman's time and attention. What is happening to their immigrant community in the USA is a balloon test send us back to 1896 . . . lynching picnics and all.

I'm very glad Black Media is FINALLY reporting on the anti-Blackness in the Arab American community. They want to stand on our shoulders and piss on our heads.

They showed me who they were when they protested Harris. They show me who they are now when they don't have a March on Washington that they take directly to the Capitol. They expect me to lift a finger yo help them because "Oh noes! It hasn't stopped!".

Now - we see what Trump.is planning for HBCU's and the African American Museum. The average du'er has never heard of the Fearless Fund.

Its bad enough the Government is bullying and pushing us around about our OWN MONEY . . . The Palestinian Movement doesn't get to bully me into sacrificing my own for them.

You are on your own. Godspeed.

'hold a grudge for a long time' and 'hit me once' ???


I have a long memory, too

.........assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by a right-wing Israeli zealot and Menahem Begin of the terrorist Stern Gang ending up Prime Minister and I can really get irate about "peace negotiations" with the immovable object that is Israel's right wing.

And about that time when Israel struck a US warship...
The Global landscape of allies, norms, and US leadership is gone. Also - that's a problem for white folks in AmeriKKKa. Its their country now and theirs alone.

We are a fading empire. I don't believe there is a political solution to the problem of the maga Republican party Voter. Spend time on foreign adversaries?

Or spend time going on the offense against the evil magAmericans? With the arrest of judges its go time at home.

As well - I'm finally starting to see Black Media point out the anti-Blackness in Arab and Palestinian American community towards Black Americans. Don't stand on my shoulders and piss on my head. Truth be told at last.

It will be a generation before America figures out why Black women were so callous, cold, and cruel in these times. We took those protests against Harris personally.

Check in with us? Too late. I have my own battles to fight.

Trump doesn’t give a damn.

Between what the party’s base wants and what the party’s leadership endorses. Not to mention, there’s the question of whether this jeapordizes ties with loyal donors and constituents.

This is just one major issue. The poll is showing other issues where the democratic base may not necessarily align with the overall public like with federal bans on transgender athletes in women’s sports.

If this isn’t resolved soon, the party will be lost in the wilderness for a while. This is going to get really messy, as we’re seeing with the Hogg situation.

seemingly neverending conflict is the same as it has always been:

Kick the authoritarians, aggressors, war mongers and despots out of your government and lives, and broker a lasting peace.

Something about not coveting that which is thy neighbor's, I think.

Count me in

Was following the ICJ hearings earlier - war crimes continue including starving people and all with Western complicity