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RandySF

(73,505 posts)
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:29 AM 8 hrs ago

DNC gives David Hogg an ultimatum

The Democratic National Committee is going to force David Hogg to decide: Get out of the primary game or lose his DNC post.

During a member call on Thursday, DNC Chair Ken Martin is expected to announce a proposal to change the party’s rules to mandate all DNC officers stay neutral in all Democratic primaries, according to a person directly familiar with the plan and granted anonymity to describe private discussions. The move comes after Hogg pledged last week to spend millions of dollars funding challenges to “asleep-at-the-wheel” Democrats in primaries, igniting a firestorm inside the DNC.

The proposal, if passed at the DNC’s August meeting, would effectively force Hogg to decide whether to step away from his DNC vice chair position or wall himself off from the group he co-founded, Leaders We Deserve, which has pledged to spend $20 million on challenging Democratic incumbents in safe blue seats.

It’s an escalation in the fight between Hogg and other DNC leaders and House Democrats, many of whom were enraged by Hogg’s announcement. Hogg, who rose to national prominence as a gun safety activist after he survived a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., said last week that he planned to back candidates who would challenge “ineffective” safe-seat Democrats. But House members and Democratic leaders vented that he was touching off a “circular firing squad” inside the party.



https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/23/dnc-gives-david-hogg-an-ultimatum-00307113

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DNC gives David Hogg an ultimatum (Original Post) RandySF 8 hrs ago OP
This shouldn't be necessary DFW 7 hrs ago #1
Good to hear. sheshe2 7 hrs ago #2
Agreed, She! SheltieLover 6 hrs ago #9
The DNC must have poor judgment...Take Tulsi Gabbard as Vice Chair for example. lostnfound 4 hrs ago #27
Go David jaymac 1 hr ago #39
Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries LetMyPeopleVote 20 min ago #48
I am with Martin on this. I understand how Hogg feels True Blue American 7 hrs ago #3
business as ususal for Democrats will be disastrous too Skittles 6 hrs ago #14
I believe that all incumbents should be challenged ... aggiesal 7 hrs ago #4
That's a good way of shooting ourselves in the foot. Challenging a good incumbent makes the R's work in the general pnwmom 6 hrs ago #10
Incumbents don't automatically receive the nomination. W_HAMILTON 6 hrs ago #13
No they don't, and candidates do challenge them in every election. JohnSJ 6 hrs ago #16
That is not true whopis01 59 min ago #42
Are you saying that third party candidates don't challenge incumbents, because JohnSJ 35 min ago #46
In many cases they do whopis01 56 min ago #44
When the (D) party at the local level tell any challenging candidate ... aggiesal 25 min ago #47
They are doing his career a good service by saving him from his Nixie 7 hrs ago #5
So it was fine to be biased before LostOne4Ever 6 hrs ago #6
Biased before? RandySF 6 hrs ago #8
From the excerpt: LostOne4Ever 6 hrs ago #11
I thought the rule change proposal came about because this is the first time a DNC official has stated that he intends WDLAL 1 hr ago #37
When is the last time you donated to the DNC? W_HAMILTON 6 hrs ago #15
Back in 2024 LostOne4Ever 6 hrs ago #17
I have never done phone banking for a primary, only for the general election, and I never had to say JohnSJ 6 hrs ago #19
The phone banking I did was the general election LostOne4Ever 6 hrs ago #20
Were you calling from a list of people who were registered as Democrats from the previous JohnSJ 6 hrs ago #21
I think it was a combination LostOne4Ever 6 hrs ago #22
That was a challenging task for you then. We also left voice mails. I think the biggest problem with JohnSJ 5 hrs ago #23
I have thought the same thing LostOne4Ever 5 hrs ago #24
Good. I remember when David Hogg pushing for gun legislation played the "both sides game", when JohnSJ 6 hrs ago #7
+1. Most people survived sudden traumatic events (e.g. shootings, accidents) because of sheer luck. dalton99a 1 hr ago #38
Why doesn't Hogg run for office himself ? JI7 6 hrs ago #12
Exactly. Go beat a Republican before he lectures actual Nixie 6 hrs ago #18
Because that will take a lot of work. Patton French 3 hrs ago #33
It's a shame to see the firing squad approach on the Dem side flor-de-jasmim 5 hrs ago #25
The party of the people allow people to decide. bucolic_frolic 4 hrs ago #26
Excellent Patton French 4 hrs ago #28
Good, I hope it works 😁 Meowmee 3 hrs ago #29
David Hogg is correct. Blue Full Moon 3 hrs ago #30
Those believing CTs about Status Quo Elite Establishment rigging primaries think Hogg is correct and betsuni 3 hrs ago #31
Here we go again. Learning nothing. Rewarding status quo and not vision or boldness. Nanjeanne 3 hrs ago #32
"Safe blue seats" is the key phrase to me. Phoenix61 2 hrs ago #34
The DNC will never get any money from me alarimer 2 hrs ago #35
Democrats don't rig elections, are not corrupted by corporations, lobbyists, donors. betsuni 55 min ago #45
I'm all for primaries, and in fact they are an essential feature of our Democracy. But I'm not for Hogg Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #36
Good. Oopsie Daisy 1 hr ago #40
The wisdom of time, age and experience I reckon GusBob 1 hr ago #41
Yes. I want the DNC to find and field viable candidates in Republican-held districts. IL Dem 57 min ago #43
'David Hogg Has to Decide': Irate Democrats Want Hogg to End His Primary Gambit -- Or They Want Him Gone LetMyPeopleVote 14 min ago #49

DFW

(57,786 posts)
1. This shouldn't be necessary
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:47 AM
7 hrs ago

But I agree with Martin. We do not hold a 250-185 majority in the House. We are down by about 4 seats before a midterm next year in which our chances of retaking the House are, as things now stand, good. Anything that jeopardizes even one seat of that potential majority could return the Speaker's gavel to His Holiness, Mike Johnson, on January 3rd, 2027. Since either Trump or Vance will be in the Oval Office until Jan. 20, 2029, NOTHING we do should hinder our chances of dislodging Johnson from the Speaker's seat. Just because you are armed, that doesn't mean a circular firing squad is a good idea, especially if the other side isn't doing it.

sheshe2

(91,472 posts)
2. Good to hear.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:55 AM
7 hrs ago

Sounds like David planned to decide who is effective and who is not. I guess now he is the one that has to make a choice.

lostnfound

(16,928 posts)
27. The DNC must have poor judgment...Take Tulsi Gabbard as Vice Chair for example.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 06:00 AM
4 hrs ago

If the DNC pulled in David Hogg thinking it would help the youth vote, this move is backfire.

If his desire to primary was motivated by anti-gun stance…well, i don’t know.

But I do know that one always needs to ask the question of leaders who hire people they later chase away, why should we trust your judgment on anything?

jaymac

(3 posts)
39. Go David
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:06 AM
1 hr ago

Again I say, the DNC is hidebound. instead of recognizing energy and enthusiasm of voters they designate mediocre candidates. if the DNC had recognized and honored the enthusiasm of voters in 2015 for Bernie we would not have had trump one or two. I think Hillary is and was a great pol, good for Bill, good for New York and good as the Sec of State but there was very little enthusiasm for her compared with Bernie. if David's org. Leaders we deserve, with it's youth and vigor stand up and say "look here, this is where we can win" Have you not been watching Bernie and AOC and the crowds?
I say more power to them. too long we have listened to DNC people who have backed not the most winnable but those whose "turn" it is........look where it has gotten us.
I say, Go David, speak truth to power...............and for the rest of you............stop listening to Carville and Schumer, bah humbug!!

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,900 posts)
48. Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 10:10 AM
20 min ago

I know that county and state parties are generally prohibited from getting involved in primary contests and that all of the members of the DNC other than Mr. Hogg have signed a pledge not to get involved in primaries. If Mr. Hogg wants to do this, he should resign from the DNC



Donna Brazil on David Hogg

“Officers of the DNC have signed a neutrality pledge. David did not sign…”

“My position as many of these so-called safe blue seats are seats that women and minorities finally had an opportunity to come and sit in because there were no seats at the table for us. So before you start wiping clean the menu and the plates and the seats, be very careful because many of those seats are in seats where we are.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/15/dnc-leader-democrats-primary/

DNC Chair Ken Martin said in a statement that “Hogg is a passionate advocate and we are grateful for his service to the Democratic Party, whether it be in his role as a DNC Vice Chair or in an outside capacity.”

“In order to ensure we are as effective as possible at electing Democrats to office, it is the DNC’s longstanding position that primary voters — not the national party — determine their Democratic candidates for the general election,” Martin continued.

All DNC officers have been asked to avoid activities in their party or personal capacity that would raise questions about their impartiality, but Hogg was the one DNC leader who did not sign the “neutrality policy.”


True Blue American

(18,495 posts)
3. I am with Martin on this. I understand how Hogg feels
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:24 AM
7 hrs ago

But we need the full fledged support of our party, not a decision who to fight with in the party, not now. Truth is we lost too many good Democrats thanks to the flood of money in this last election. Sherrod Brown comes to mind, one of our best fighters, swept out nt lies and money.

Skittles

(163,560 posts)
14. business as ususal for Democrats will be disastrous too
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:49 AM
6 hrs ago

after the results of the last election and considering their approval rating, SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE

aggiesal

(9,946 posts)
4. I believe that all incumbents should be challenged ...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:27 AM
7 hrs ago

I don't believe that an incumbent should automatically receive the nomination.
We should be arriving for the best candidate possible. Sometimes that's not always the incumbent.

pnwmom

(109,830 posts)
10. That's a good way of shooting ourselves in the foot. Challenging a good incumbent makes the R's work in the general
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:41 AM
6 hrs ago

twice as easy.

whopis01

(3,818 posts)
42. That is not true
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:30 AM
59 min ago

In the 2024 House election, 47% of incumbents seeking re-election faced no primary challengers.

Out of the 411 incumbents that sought re-election, 196 of them had no primary challenger.

That number was even higher in previous elections. 60% in 2022 and 53% in 2020.

The Democratic party has had a strong downward trend in contested primaries since 2018. It dropped from 241 contested primaries in 2018 to 137 contested primaries in 2024. Those numbers include primaries for both incumbents and new candidates. (The numbers above were strictly incumbents).

Saying that "candidates do challenge them in every election" is just not accurate.
They could be challenged - there is nothing to stop someone challenging them - but it does not happen in many cases.

https://ballotpedia.org/Annual_Congressional_Competitiveness_Report%2C_2024

JohnSJ

(98,464 posts)
46. Are you saying that third party candidates don't challenge incumbents, because
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:54 AM
35 min ago

they sure do here in California jungle primaries all the time.

This is just for the Green Party

https://www.gp.org/green_party_candidates_in_state_and_local_races_in_2024

But there are also parties such as peace an freedom and three miscellaneous parties.

whopis01

(3,818 posts)
44. In many cases they do
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:34 AM
56 min ago

In 2024 there were 196 incumbents who faced no challenger in the primary election. Roughly 47% of all incumbents.

aggiesal

(9,946 posts)
47. When the (D) party at the local level tell any challenging candidate ...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 10:04 AM
25 min ago

to stop their campaign & dropout, because they will not get their endorsement, even if the challenging candidate is a better option, that's an automatic nomination.
I see it every election season.

We end up with a representative (Senate, House) that never does anything but collect a paycheck and vote the party line. They never write or introduce a bill, they just become a party vote with no conviction. I see this more in the House than in the Senate.

Nixie

(17,605 posts)
5. They are doing his career a good service by saving him from his
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:28 AM
7 hrs ago

own arrogance. What a disaster in the making. This negative primary messaging is the last thing our party needs at this time. Tone deaf and unnecessary.

LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
6. So it was fine to be biased before
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:31 AM
6 hrs ago

But not now…

This only further proves Hogg is on point.

If the DNC cuts ties with him they can expect no donations from me or other progressives ever again. We will donate to pro democratic organizations that support people like Hogg and progressive primary challengers or directly to the candidates themselves.

LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
11. From the excerpt:
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:43 AM
6 hrs ago
During a member call on Thursday, DNC Chair Ken Martin is expected to announce a proposal to change the party’s rules to mandate all DNC officers stay neutral in all Democratic primaries, according to a person directly familiar with the plan and granted anonymity to describe private discussions. The move comes after Hogg pledged last week to spend millions of dollars funding challenges to “asleep-at-the-wheel” Democrats in primaries, igniting a firestorm inside the DNC


This implies (whether true or not) that it was okay to be biased before now.

WDLAL

(69 posts)
37. I thought the rule change proposal came about because this is the first time a DNC official has stated that he intends
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:53 AM
1 hr ago

to use his personal organization to attempt to replace sitting Democrats. I’m not sure of that, though. At least it only involves safe seats.

LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
17. Back in 2024
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:56 AM
6 hrs ago

I also phone banked for them desperately trying to get Harris votes.

I know because I had to say “Thank you for your time. This call was paid for the DNC” after every call.

Want me to post a time stamped receipt from one of my donations made last year?

JohnSJ

(98,464 posts)
19. I have never done phone banking for a primary, only for the general election, and I never had to say
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:03 AM
6 hrs ago

"this call was paid for by the DNC", of course the call banking I was doing was to get the vote out from Democrats, not to solicit money.

LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
20. The phone banking I did was the general election
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:05 AM
6 hrs ago

Harris vs Trump.

We never solicited money. Just votes or gave reminders to vote early!

We were told we were required by law to say it so it was important not to forget it.

JohnSJ

(98,464 posts)
21. Were you calling from a list of people who were registered as Democrats from the previous
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:17 AM
6 hrs ago

election, or was it just a list of people we were just registered voters?

I had a list from voters who were registered as Democrats from the previous election.

I had a script, but I didn't have to say that it was funded by the DNC, only that I was a volunteer for the Harris campaign, (or whatever candidate I was calling for at the time), campaign, and if we could count on your vote, or something to that effect.

I guess different phone banking groups are given different scripts.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements-political-party/party-phone-banks/







LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
22. I think it was a combination
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:23 AM
6 hrs ago

A few of the people I called said they were republicans voting for Trump.

One day, though, we made calls to voice mails and were told these were people who had already been contacted and that we were just leaving voice mails reminding them to go vote (or early vote).

JohnSJ

(98,464 posts)
23. That was a challenging task for you then. We also left voice mails. I think the biggest problem with
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:32 AM
5 hrs ago

phone banking is a good number of people are irritated because they get so many solicitations from different campaigns to get out the vote, that I wonder to myself if sometimes the phone banking can actually be counter-productive.

Just speaking for myself as a voter, because of all the spam calls out there, I no longer answer calls from numbers I do not recognize. It has led me to wonder how pollsters account for those who don't answer calls, and how significant that number is.




LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
24. I have thought the same thing
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:36 AM
5 hrs ago

And it was especially hard on me due to my social anxiety disorder.

Every call made me physically ill fear a bad reaction. Luckily the worst I got was hung up on (a lot).

G’night!

JohnSJ

(98,464 posts)
7. Good. I remember when David Hogg pushing for gun legislation played the "both sides game", when
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:37 AM
6 hrs ago

it was obvious that there was only ONE SIDE that actually wanted and worked for gun legislation.

I am glad they are getting out ahead of this.

Some of Mr. Hoggs ideas such as "defund the police", is NOT a good slogan:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-vice-chair-s-posts-calling-to-abolish-ice-and-defund-police/ar-AA1ypfYq?ocid=EMMX

I question why he was even made vice chairman. His only credentials are that he survived a terrible mass shooting.

We need to campaign against republicans, not Democrats, and leave challenges to incumbents up to the people in that state, not to someone who is supposed to NOT TAKE SIDES against Democrats.

If he wants to do that, then I suggest he should run as a candidate.

dalton99a

(88,263 posts)
38. +1. Most people survived sudden traumatic events (e.g. shootings, accidents) because of sheer luck.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:58 AM
1 hr ago

Patton French

(1,596 posts)
33. Because that will take a lot of work.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:21 AM
3 hrs ago

It’s easier to finger point and do the TV circuit.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,206 posts)
25. It's a shame to see the firing squad approach on the Dem side
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:38 AM
5 hrs ago

Outting money into a presumed safe race in the hopes of getting a better candidate is like fertilizing a lawn that is already green to get a stronger green. I’d be more satisfied with the DNC making sure that EVERY race is contested, with money being put into training materials that help get our message across in the ways that our best speakers (like Pete Buttigieg) do.

Patton French

(1,596 posts)
28. Excellent
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 06:21 AM
4 hrs ago

He is not being helpful with the primary threats against anyone he doesn’t like. That’s not the role of DNC leadership.

betsuni

(27,784 posts)
31. Those believing CTs about Status Quo Elite Establishment rigging primaries think Hogg is correct and
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:08 AM
3 hrs ago

will be upset and touchy and probably busy making new CTs right now about how everybody's out to get them.

Nanjeanne

(6,028 posts)
32. Here we go again. Learning nothing. Rewarding status quo and not vision or boldness.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:16 AM
3 hrs ago

Dems just love looking like the party of nothing to see here. Just vote for us because we won before and don’t need to win your support ever again.

Way to activate those voters who are looking for Dems to represent their ideals, Ken!

Phoenix61

(18,289 posts)
34. "Safe blue seats" is the key phrase to me.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:39 AM
2 hrs ago

Why wouldn’t we want reps who actually do the work they were elected to do! How many of us wish Ginsburg, as much as we loved her, had stepped down. Look at what AOC is doing. What could we do if we had 5 more of her?

alarimer

(17,144 posts)
35. The DNC will never get any money from me
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:58 AM
2 hrs ago

They can't help but put their thumbs on the scale when it comes to actual progressives running for office. So maybe the best thing for Hogg is to challenge them from the outside. You are not changing the staid, boring, corporate-donation driven organization (and thus not progressive at all) from the inside. What needs to change is a party driven BY THE PEOPLE and not by lobbyists and donors.

betsuni

(27,784 posts)
45. Democrats don't rig elections, are not corrupted by corporations, lobbyists, donors.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:34 AM
55 min ago

Otherwise, provide proof of these accusations. This is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party.

Scrivener7

(55,435 posts)
36. I'm all for primaries, and in fact they are an essential feature of our Democracy. But I'm not for Hogg
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:28 AM
2 hrs ago

deciding which reps he thinks are worthy and which are not.

It would be great if the DNC, and Hogg, used their energy and influence on messaging and on coordinating our actions to make us a more effective voice of opposition to this disaster.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,611 posts)
40. Good.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:22 AM
1 hr ago

When the balance of power is so close, and when the stakes are so high... why would anyone want to do ANYTHING to jeopardize incumbent Democrats??

The smart thing would be to go after vulnerable Republicans. The smart thing would be to target and weaken Republicans so that they can be more easily defeated by a Democratic challenger. The smart thing would be to spend the money on Democratic candidates vying for OPEN seats.

Sadly, I think that pride and anger and other emotions cause rookie politicians and activists to make mistakes that end up hurting our party more than helping it. Culling incumbent Democrats in the name of purity does nothing to knock the GOP out of power. Isn't that the main objective here?

Well, it should be. That would be the smart thing to do.

This is why EXPERIENCE MATTERS! We need people in the DNC who understand the importance on focusing on a winning strategy that prioritizes defeating our opponents and advancing our party's goals.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
41. The wisdom of time, age and experience I reckon
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:29 AM
1 hr ago

It sounds like the DNC is preventing the waste of money and time on unnecessary sparring matches they need for bigger bouts

IL Dem

(873 posts)
43. Yes. I want the DNC to find and field viable candidates in Republican-held districts.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:33 AM
57 min ago

Like mine. In my district there was NO Democratic candidate for House of Representatives in 2024 election. We have the awful Mary Miller. No Dem opponent!!!!!

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,900 posts)
49. 'David Hogg Has to Decide': Irate Democrats Want Hogg to End His Primary Gambit -- Or They Want Him Gone
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 10:15 AM
14 min ago

I am glad that Ken Martin is doing the right thing. Members of the DNC and each state and local party cannot be taking sides in primary fights. Hogg wants to primary democrats he dislikes. That is NOT what a member of the party leadership should be doing.

DNC leadership is planning to expand its non-endorsement policy to all elections. Members will hear from the chair, Ken Martin, on Thursday afternoon, as many remain furious with vice chair David Hogg’s plan to support primary challenges.



https://www.notus.org/democrats/david-hogg-irate-democrats-end-primary-gambit-or-gone

A week after Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg unveiled a controversial plan to back primary challenges to longtime party incumbents, anger at the activist-turned-Democratic leader is only intensifying among party officials.

These Democratic critics say their fury at Hogg has grown amid what they see as his ill-conceived and insufficient efforts to make amends for his planned primary campaign — a campaign that, they say, threatens the DNC’s neutrality and its capacity to fight back against President Donald Trump.

Some Democrats have even said the DNC should consider changing its rules to force Hogg to either abandon the campaign or resign as vice chair.

The tension is expected to spill over during a regularly scheduled Thursday call for DNC members — a meeting that, some Democratic officials suggest, might turn into a forum for airing grievances about Hogg’s anti-incumbent pledge.

During that call, the DNC’s chair, Ken Martin, is also expected to unveil a multipoint agenda that would include a proposal mandating all DNC officers stay neutral in all primaries, according to a senior DNC official. The proposal would expand on the current neutrality pledge, which now only includes the presidential race.

If adopted, the proposal would effectively force Hogg to choose between staying in his role at the DNC and backing primary challenges against incumbent Democratic lawmakers.
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