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struggle4progress

(122,818 posts) Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:43 PM 14 hrs ago

rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation

Barak Ravid

... Trump's proposal would require major concessions from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who previously ruled out accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea and parts of four regions in eastern Ukraine.

And while Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly offered to freeze the current front lines in order to reach a deal, he has previously rejected other elements of the U.S. framework, such as a European peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory.

A source close to the Ukrainian government said Kyiv sees the proposal as highly biased towards Russia: "The proposal says very clearly what tangible gains Russia gets, but only vaguely and generally says what Ukraine is going to get" ...

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

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rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation (Original Post) struggle4progress 14 hrs ago OP

trump can not think beyond a transaction. cachukis 14 hrs ago #1

huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt msongs 14 hrs ago #2

There is NO way Ukraine would accept this sakabatou 14 hrs ago #3

Whatever they agree to, he won't honor the agreement. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #4

Exactly! SheltieLover 13 hrs ago #8

I wonder if they could fake him out... BigmanPigman 7 hrs ago #10

He is, but his handlers are meticulous. SheltieLover 6 hrs ago #11

Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse struggle4progress 14 hrs ago #5

I don't think we are part of it anymore... lame54 14 hrs ago #6

Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot. J_William_Ryan 14 hrs ago #7

Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, LetMyPeopleVote 13 hrs ago #9

Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term). Buns_of_Fire 5 hrs ago #12

cachukis

(3,103 posts)

1. trump can not think beyond a transaction.

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:46 PM

14 hrs ago

msongs

(71,120 posts)

2. huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:51 PM

14 hrs ago

sakabatou

(44,604 posts)

3. There is NO way Ukraine would accept this

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:52 PM

14 hrs ago

Scrivener7

(55,435 posts)

4. Whatever they agree to, he won't honor the agreement.

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:56 PM

14 hrs ago

They should agree to nothing.

SheltieLover

(66,761 posts)

8. Exactly!

Reply to Scrivener7 (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:40 PM

13 hrs ago

BigmanPigman

(52,893 posts)

10. I wonder if they could fake him out...

Reply to SheltieLover (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:56 AM

7 hrs ago

Maybe a reverse barometer sort of thing? He seems so helter skelter all the time that I think it would be easy to screw him up and be successful. He's REALLY that dumb and scattered.

SheltieLover

(66,761 posts)

11. He is, but his handlers are meticulous.

Reply to BigmanPigman (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:44 AM

6 hrs ago

struggle4progress

(122,818 posts)

5. Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:58 PM

14 hrs ago

High-level peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine collapsed on Wednesday after Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff chose not to attend meetings in London.

lame54

(37,855 posts)

6. I don't think we are part of it anymore...

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:10 PM

14 hrs ago

Trump's words are irrelevant

J_William_Ryan

(2,664 posts)

7. Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:21 PM

14 hrs ago

Trump wants to reward his friend and ally Putin for launching an illegal invasion killing thousands, including civilians; that Trump wants to appease a war criminal comes as no surprise, Trump’s a criminal himself.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,900 posts)

9. Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:47 PM

13 hrs ago

Link to tweet

Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, which reads:

“The United States reaffirms as policy its refusal to recognize the Kremin's claims of sovereignty over territory seized by force.”

Buns_of_Fire

(18,365 posts)

12. Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term).

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:57 AM

5 hrs ago

Krasnov has no business in any so-called negotiation between Russia and anybody. Under him, the US is not an "honest broker."

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