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IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,446 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:00 PM 17 hrs ago

Israel to snub Pope's funeral as Jerusalem-Vatican relations hit a low amid Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-snub-popes-funeral-as-jerusalem-vatican-relations-hit-a-low-amid-gaza-war/

Israel to snub Pope’s funeral as Jerusalem-Vatican relations hit a low amid Gaza war

VATICAN CITY — Most major nations will be sending heads of state or government, or royalty, to Pope Francis’ funeral on Saturday, but Israel will be represented only by its ambassador to the Vatican.

The decision to keep the representation at the lowest level possible is a sign of how far Israel’s relations with the Vatican have deteriorated since the start of the war in Gaza in 2023, diplomats said.

It also follows an Israeli government decision to delete a social media post that had offered condolences for the pope’s death.
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Israel to snub Pope's funeral as Jerusalem-Vatican relations hit a low amid Gaza war (Original Post) IrishBubbaLiberal 17 hrs ago OP
This is poor form. Humanity is devolving quickly. Showing respect is not weakness. Pisces 17 hrs ago #1
Yeah right claudette 17 hrs ago #2
What does "God's chosen people" have to do with Israelis or their government? lapucelle 16 hrs ago #7
Are you saying claudette 14 hrs ago #9
I think you're igorant (misinformed) about what "chosen" means. Mossfern 14 hrs ago #11
No offense intended claudette 14 hrs ago #13
But are you still convinced Mossfern 13 hrs ago #15
I never said you were claudette 10 hrs ago #18
Not Apples and Oranges Mossfern 31 min ago #19
You can stop digging now. lapucelle 14 hrs ago #12
In other news LuvLoogie 17 hrs ago #3
Benjamin Netanyahu is an embarrassment to humanity AStern 17 hrs ago #4
Or wil nitty get arrested if he steps on italian ground? Clouds Passing 17 hrs ago #5
From the pope's final address: WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #6
Exactly. A plea for PEACE... B.See 16 hrs ago #8
I would say by refusing to claudette 14 hrs ago #10
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a 13 hrs ago #14
NuttyYahoo is probably afraid of being arrested, I'm guessing. Maru Kitteh 13 hrs ago #16
Exactly. Active Arrest Warrants for Netanyahu IrishBubbaLiberal 12 hrs ago #17

lapucelle

(20,049 posts)
7. What does "God's chosen people" have to do with Israelis or their government?
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:47 PM
16 hrs ago

Doesn't the phrase "God's chosen people" refer to Jews?

Surely your post is not about Jewish people.


claudette

(5,296 posts)
9. Are you saying
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:45 PM
14 hrs ago

the people in the Israeli government who are authorizing and doing the killing are not Jews? Having many Jewish family members, I know that not every Jew feels they are "chosen."

I have nothing against Jews who don't authorize murder at all. I just disagree with the "chosen people" name they chose for themselves.

Mossfern

(3,705 posts)
11. I think you're igorant (misinformed) about what "chosen" means.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:06 PM
14 hrs ago

It does not mean "special." I'll look for a link for you. As a Jewish woman I take offense at your post:

Chosenness is not about merit; it is about responsibility. Jews live with the ever-present and inescapable discomfort caused by the conscience of a people expected by God – or by whatever inner force drives them – to be at the creative and moral vanguard of humankind.

Some have even called chosenness an affliction, for it has invited mockery of Jews in every age. The Romans derided Jesus by forcing him to wear a crown of thorns. Nineteen centuries later, the Nazis ridiculed Jewish claims to chosenness by taking fiendish delight in treating Jews as less than human.


https://reformjudaism.org/blog/what-does-it-really-mean-be-chosen-people

A Chabad explanation:
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160993/jewish/Are-the-Jews-the-Chosen-People.htm

I hope these helped you to understand a bit of what "chosen" means in this instance.

Mossfern

(3,705 posts)
15. But are you still convinced
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:13 PM
13 hrs ago

that I'm evil because I'm part of the chosen people? Do you think the majority of the Jewish people are killing innocents - are Jews programmed that way?

You may want to direct at your ire at Netanyahu and the right wing in Israel instead of Jewish people. The IDF is comprised of people of all opinions and even Muslims and Christians.

What you are doing is equivalent to someone saying the you are an American and therefore you support Trump and the idiotic and his dangerous and idiotic administration.

It's called stereotyping ....

claudette

(5,296 posts)
18. I never said you were
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 12:16 AM
10 hrs ago

evil. I just wonder how those who murder innocents get to believe they are chosen by God for ANY reason. Do you honestly think those who authorize the murder of innocent Palestinians have that right? I don’t think my Jewish family members are evil either. They don’t want Nuttyahoo in charge and don’t believe God chose him bye. Namaste

Added. I’m an American but I don’t call myself a Magat. Apples and oranges.

Mossfern

(3,705 posts)
19. Not Apples and Oranges
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:59 AM
31 min ago

Jewish people don't consider themselves to be murderers.

Do you have the same disdain for Palestinians who believe that all Jews should be annihilated, or is their cause a just one in your eyes. All that had to happen since the inception of this great tragedy was for Hamas to return the hostages and admit defeat. Why don't you blame them as being the initial cause of all the horror we see now.

Having Jewish relatives does NOT make your argument legitimate.
Damn, it's like a racist saying that they have some black friends - sheesh!

Look in the mirror claudette ,,,,,

LuvLoogie

(7,969 posts)
3. In other news
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:13 PM
17 hrs ago

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will install two poles flying 100 foot Israeli flags on either side of Beit Aghion.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
6. From the pope's final address:
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:16 PM
17 hrs ago
I express my closeness to the sufferings of Christians in Palestine and Israel, and to all the Israeli people and the Palestinian people. The growing climate of anti-Semitism throughout the world is worrisome. Yet at the same time, I think of the people of Gaza, and its Christian community in particular, where the terrible conflict continues to cause death and destruction and to create a dramatic and deplorable humanitarian situation.

I appeal to the warring parties: call a ceasefire, release the hostages and come to the aid of a starving people that aspires to a future of peace!


Really objectionable stuff.

claudette

(5,296 posts)
10. I would say by refusing to
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:46 PM
14 hrs ago

go to the Pope's funeral, Israel doesn't want peace. Nuttyahool wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can rename it Israel.

Response to IrishBubbaLiberal (Original post)

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,446 posts)
17. Exactly. Active Arrest Warrants for Netanyahu
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:31 PM
12 hrs ago

In view of Netanyahu refusing to go to the Vatican for
Pope services…..

This makes more sense……

https://apnews.com/article/icc-israel-hamas-warrants-netanyahu-palestinian-arrest-73c854d072e0a1a41b19b2cb2cdd07fa


Top war-crimes court issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu and others in Israel-Hamas fighting

Nov 21, 2024

THE HAGUE (AP) — The world’s top war-crimes court issued arrest warrants Thursday for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defense minister and Hamas’ military chief, accusing them of crimes against humanity in connection with the 13-month war in Gaza.

The warrants said there was reason to believe Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant have used “starvation as a method of warfare” by restricting humanitarian aid and have intentionally targeted civilians in Israel’s campaign against Hamas in Gaza — charges Israeli officials deny.
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