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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBy the way, Trump is a Russian AGENT
Not asset. Agent. He is actively working for Putin, doing his damnedest to weaken or even destroy America. I don't think I'm saying anything that most of you didn't already know. I just wanted to state it here in black and white.

Dave Bowman
(5,017 posts)brush
(59,597 posts)lame54
(37,855 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,314 posts)Hes just likes the trappings of power. I dont think the Heritage Foundation or the Federalist Society, the Project 2025 people, are Russian agents either. They are basically the John Birchers and their ideological descendants who have been around for decades and have finally found the way to do the things theyve always wanted to do. It just so happens that their goals align with oligarchs the world over, Russian oligarchs included. Theyre just standard fascists.
Piss doesnt understand the first thing about how government works, he just has people in his ear telling him to do these things and theyll make everyone love him or fear him, the only things he actually cares about. Its all just a show to him.
MadameButterfly
(2,873 posts)but too actively working for Putin to be just an asset. The best word is puppet.
democrank
(11,424 posts)Finger puppet
Clouds Passing
(4,433 posts)Yoyoyo77
(310 posts)Papa Koch worked overseas for Stalin and after that Hitler. He helped build the oil extraction industries in both. He was pissed that the Russians working with his crew kept getting tossed in the gulag. Hitler left the crew working with him alone, at least while Fred was still in the country. Fred loved the 3rd Reich Germany so much that he had his kids German nanny go with them when the family returned to Kansas. Natch!!!
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)who just happened to be elected President of the United States.
they made a good investment, as it turns out
homegirl
(1,707 posts)AMERICAN KOMPROMAT by Carl Unger.
Complete with pages and pages of confirming footnotes!
AdamGG
(1,676 posts)there's some Russian agent in the mix too, definitely on Trump's part. Many of the others just don't mind going along with it as a vehicle to meet their goals.
Blasphemer
(3,428 posts)Torchlight
(4,548 posts)He possess neither the cunning nor the discipline to play at spy. mr. trump is pissing on the nation for his own profit, no cunning masterplan by Putin.
Mme. Defarge
(8,697 posts)this is exactly what it would look like if that were the case.
Bonx
(2,319 posts)live love laugh
(15,192 posts)Karasu
(978 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)
artist in Russia to do a portrait of him for anything less. They're proud as fuck to have successfully installed one of their agents as "leader" of the US and have been openly bragging about it since his fucking first term.
Warpy
(113,237 posts)Russians tend to err on the side of xemophobia, so their agents, who have a certain amount of automy and power, are all Rissoams/ Putin's Pet Piggy is just that, someone who can be controlled and commanded through blackmail, financial pressure, or some sort of one sided, fictional bromance. With PPP, it's likely all three.
Bust yeah, he's a Russian asset. It's just another reason Congress needs to be kicked off its dead collective behind and forced to do its job.
iemanja
(55,852 posts)There is no other explanation.
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)He may be stupid enough to believe that what he is doing will help America in the end.
I don't see any evidence of "intelligence" from his actions in the last ten years,
do you??
On the other hand, he has shown himself to be easy to manipulate.
Escaped Floridian
(30 posts)It's so obvious, in fact, that I'm surprised Donnie doesn't just come out and say so. Hey, it wouldn't even cost him politically, because Congressional Republicans are too goddam chickenshit and MAGA voters are too fucking dumb.
IronLionZion
(48,552 posts)not that it matters much at this point. Who is going to hold them accountable?
Botany
(73,902 posts)xuplate
(79 posts)He is too dumb to plot out a take over this comprehensive and efficient. This is Soviet level subterfuge. Putin was weaned on these techniques.
AllaN01Bear
(24,824 posts)wiggs
(8,201 posts)they should start every conversation with the appropriate context of TSF's serious limitations and disorders...which have been apparent for decades. Kind of important.
Much of his behavior and actions are due to his fears, sociopathy, and limitations...including being an easy target for ex-KGB officials and other authoritarian leaders foreign and domestic.
This would bring everything into focus more clearly because it explains so, so much.
dchill
(42,080 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,994 posts)Don't look too closely at Mr Musk. And from today's NYT:
Vance Outlines U.S. Plan for Ukraine That Sharply Favors Russia
https://democraticunderground.com/10143446330
gordianot
(15,567 posts)Even then he might be more effective if no one suspected. Seems to me everyone knows Trump does not hide it.
Hassler
(4,261 posts)Grins
(8,258 posts)And then he got elected.
And in 2017 he appointed Flynn .
And then Flynn got caught.
Flynn is another Russian asset.
And he launched a missile attack on Syria.
But first told the Russians so they could get out of the way of the incoming.
And then he fired Comey and bragged about it to Russian foreign minister.
And then he gave code-level secrets to Russians.
Then the CIA extracted their PRIME - MOST SECRET!!! - asset they ever had - in the top echelon of the Kremlin because even they suspected Trump.
And Helsinki.
And that was just his first 5- months!!!
The list is long. And then this year. Just his first 85-days
Hes as Russian as bad Borscht and cheap vodka.
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)Oh yeah, I know... the "Russians are not communists anymore"...
That is certainly true, now they are more like the far right...
Cha
(309,837 posts)ERW
(8 posts)He is dumb, but he doesn't have to think, he just needs to follow Putin's instructions on how to destroy the U.S.
walkingman
(9,106 posts)Blue Owl
(55,954 posts)
republianmushroom
(19,546 posts)Pas-de-Calais
(10,097 posts)Dem4life1970
(794 posts)"Russia, if you are listening..." he said to an open mic.
He appointed Manafort.
He met with Russians in Trump Tower in early 2016.
He shared state secrets in the Oval Office with Russian officials (Sergie Lavrov and some other "pinkie, commie" as they would say).
Helsinki, prostrating himself before Putin on live TV.
He IS a Russian agent. 100%
calimary
(85,955 posts)czarjak
(12,766 posts)"Russia's a ruse."
ReRe
(11,569 posts)but potentially a Trillion times more deadly than the original one.
All I know is he went to Russia back in 1987, can't remember if he was wanting to build one of his Trump Towers over there, or whether it had to do with the Beauty contest "business" (or both), but when he got back stateside he put a full length page ad in the NYTs along the lines of getting rid of NATO. Maybe Russia looked at him as an asset at that point. But. When Barack Obama gave his speech at that WH Correspondent's Dinner where he made a total fool out of DJT in his presence, that was the moment when the bad boy became a full on Agent. IMHO.
Iamscrewed
(113 posts)Some of us have known for a long time.