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Nevilledog

(54,096 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:32 PM 14 hrs ago

People in states with abortion bans are twice as likely to die during pregnancy

https://19thnews.org/2025/04/abortion-bans-pregnancy-related-death/

Shefali Luthra
Reproductive Health Reporter

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April 23, 2025, 5:00 a.m. MT
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Pregnant people living in states with abortion bans are almost twice as likely to die during pregnancy or soon after giving birth, a report released Wednesday found. The risk is greatest for Black women in states with bans, who are 3.3 times more likely to die than White women in those same states.

The Gender Equity Policy Institute, a nonprofit research and policy organization that put out the report, found that since the overturn of Roe v. Wade, pregnancy-related death rates have declined in states that protect abortion access and increased in Texas, the largest state to ban the procedure. The report found that pregnant Black women, White women and Latinas are all at greater risk of death in states with abortion bans than they would be if they lived in states that protect abortion rights.

“There are two Americas for reproductive-aged women and people who can become pregnant in the United States,” said Nancy Cohen, founder of the Gender Equity Policy Institute. “One America, where you’re at serious risk of major health complications or death if you become pregnant, and one where you’re most likely to have a positive birth experience, a healthy pregnancy and a healthy child.”

Researchers compared pregnancy-related deaths in states where abortion is almost completely banned and where it is protected. (The World Health Organization defines pregnancy-related deaths as ones experienced while pregnant or within 42 days of the pregnancy ending, and only if the death was “from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy or its management.”) The report relies on data from the federal government’s National Vital Statistics Section, analyzing pregnancy-related deaths from 2019 through 2023. The data focused on people who identified as “mother” and did not specifically study pregnancy-related deaths for transgender and nonbinary people.

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People in states with abortion bans are twice as likely to die during pregnancy (Original Post) Nevilledog 14 hrs ago OP
Pro death states bronxiteforever 14 hrs ago #1
Women people are the ones killed. Irish_Dem 14 hrs ago #2
The word "people" is used because some trans men get pregnant. WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #4
Trump has wiped out the word women in some research projects. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #5
That's fine. Feel free. It doesn't change the fact that some men, trans men, get pregnant; independent clinics and WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #8
I think this is an example of actual overreach. yardwork 13 hrs ago #6
Overreach from where into what? WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #9
I'll answer in the order of your questions. yardwork 10 hrs ago #10
. WhiskeyGrinder 9 hrs ago #11
I totally agree Danmel 7 hrs ago #20
Bingo. alarimer 8 hrs ago #13
Is a 9-year-old who is raped and gets pregnant a woman? WhiskeyGrinder 8 hrs ago #15
You know the answer: she is a small child who is the victim of a violent crime... Hekate 8 hrs ago #16
"If you can get pregnant, you are a woman" is just as much an unamusing word game as my hypothetical. WhiskeyGrinder 8 hrs ago #18
Trans people may disagree JoseBalow 8 hrs ago #19
There are indeed two Americas for women of reproductive age. Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #3
Pro-life? No. They're pro-pregnancy and pro-punishment. Ping Tung 13 hrs ago #7
Include Catholic Hospitals in there womanofthehills 8 hrs ago #12
K&R Solly Mack 8 hrs ago #14
*pretends to be shocked* sakabatou 8 hrs ago #17
Pregnancy is dangerous, even in the 21st century, especially if an abnormality in the mother's system lindysalsagal 6 hrs ago #21

Irish_Dem

(68,459 posts)
2. Women people are the ones killed.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:39 PM
14 hrs ago

Men would never put up with being on the MAGA hit list.

Irish_Dem

(68,459 posts)
5. Trump has wiped out the word women in some research projects.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:12 PM
13 hrs ago

Women are becoming non men.

I don't like it. I am not giving up the word woman without a fight.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
8. That's fine. Feel free. It doesn't change the fact that some men, trans men, get pregnant; independent clinics and
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:48 PM
13 hrs ago

many abortion activists, and this article in the OP, are increasingly using inclusive language to acknowledge that.

I am not giving up the word woman without a fight.
No one is telling you to.

yardwork

(66,311 posts)
6. I think this is an example of actual overreach.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:35 PM
13 hrs ago

I understand that some trans men get pregnant, give birth, and breastfeed. I fully support their rights. However, changing the entire terminology around mothers has been understandably unpopular.

It is relevant that women have less power, fewer rights, and are more at risk in many ways. We mothers value our role as mothers.

As another poster says, women aren't going to give this up without a fight. Better to preserve millions of years of terminology around mothers while respecting the rights of trans men to identify as they personally choose to do. There is no need to upset so many people. This is not a hill to die on.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
9. Overreach from where into what?
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:50 PM
13 hrs ago
It is relevant that women have less power, fewer rights, and are more at risk in many ways.
How is this different than what trans people face?

We mothers value our role as mothers.
No one is saying you can't.

As another poster says, women aren't going to give this up without a fight.
Give what up?

Better to preserve millions of years of terminology around mothers while respecting the rights of trans men to identify as they personally choose to do.
Would you insist on calling a trans man who has given birth a mother?

There is no need to upset so many people.
Who, specifically, is upset, and why?

yardwork

(66,311 posts)
10. I'll answer in the order of your questions.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:38 PM
10 hrs ago

1. Both women and trans people face discrimination.

2. My point is that the term "mother" has a deep meaning to many people, one that people will defend. It's best not to fuck with mothers. The outcome is unlikely to be worth it.

3. The right to be called mothers.

4. Every individual patient must be called what they request to be called. Anything less is medical malpractice. A trans man who is giving birth may or may not ask to be called a "person giving birth." Whatever their personal request, it must be respected. This right applies to other people giving birth. If they request to be called "mother" or "mom to be" or whatever, that individual's right must be respected.

5. The well-intentioned but in my opinion ill-advised policy that all people giving birth be referred to only as "persons giving birth" has upset a lot of people. That is my anecdotal observation. Again, I believe that this was a well intentioned policy. It began in academic and health care policy circles about a decade ago. It was intended to be inclusive, but the outcome was not good for trans rights, women's rights, or the rights of individual patients.

It is an example of well-intentioned academic policy that misses the mark.

Next up: why my Latina wife despises the term Latinx.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
11. .
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:09 PM
9 hrs ago
4. Every individual patient must be called what they request to be called. Anything less is medical malpractice. A trans man who is giving birth may or may not ask to be called a "person giving birth." Whatever their personal request, it must be respected. This right applies to other people giving birth. If they request to be called "mother" or "mom to be" or whatever, that individual's right must be respected.
I'm responding only to this because I think my answer addresses both 2 and 3 as well. In a medical setting, in the hospital, absolutely a a patient must be called by their request. But in an article like the one in the OP -- which is what people are responding to -- does "people who give birth" or "people who get pregnant" exclude mothers?

5. The well-intentioned but in my opinion ill-advised policy that all people giving birth be referred to only as "persons giving birth" has upset a lot of people. That is my anecdotal observation. Again, I believe that this was a well intentioned policy. It began in academic and health care policy circles about a decade ago. It was intended to be inclusive, but the outcome was not good for trans rights, women's rights, or the rights of individual patients.
Is calling people who get pregnant "women" a better outcome for trans rights, women's rights and the rights of individual patients? I do want to point out again that you're talking about "patients" in response to an article about people *in general.* Are women defined only by their reproductive capacity/ability/status?

alarimer

(17,143 posts)
13. Bingo.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:24 PM
8 hrs ago

If you can get pregnant, you are a women, whatever you want to call yourself. This language bullshit drives me crazy.

Hekate

(97,318 posts)
16. You know the answer: she is a small child who is the victim of a violent crime...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:47 PM
8 hrs ago

Her body is also extremely immature in every way (see bone-structure X-rays of grown women juxtaposed with those of little girls) even if her ovaries popped out an egg. If this pregnancy is not terminated early, it could well cost her life. An attempt to continue to term will require a C-section due to the undeveloped nature of her bones, and again could well const both her life or future fertility.

Word games don’t amuse when what you hypothesize is a small female child who is the victim of a violent crime.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
18. "If you can get pregnant, you are a woman" is just as much an unamusing word game as my hypothetical.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:56 PM
8 hrs ago

We've all heard the crude rhyming saying that describes exactly that.

Quiet Em

(1,807 posts)
3. There are indeed two Americas for women of reproductive age.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:57 PM
14 hrs ago

And these pronatal, sexist, ignorant, buffoons who think all women should be home having and raising their babies don't seem to get that even the women willing to go along with their freakish movement need maternal, prenatal care in order to do it safely.

womanofthehills

(9,671 posts)
12. Include Catholic Hospitals in there
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:22 PM
8 hrs ago

It happened to me in a Catholic Hosp in NC yrs ago. Early miscarriage - fetus dead - but I guess it’s a sin to remove it. Luckily- I decided to stay in hospital or I would have died - bleeding like a hose on full force. Suddenly- 20 nurses in my room, vit K shot on way down to operating room.

I just don’t get that states can’t remove a dead fetus- putting so many women’s lives in peril.

lindysalsagal

(22,662 posts)
21. Pregnancy is dangerous, even in the 21st century, especially if an abnormality in the mother's system
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:49 PM
6 hrs ago

appears due to pregnancy.

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