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Nevilledog

(54,096 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:07 PM 15 hrs ago

Moira Donegan: What is America's pro-natalism movement really about?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/23/america-pro-natalism-women

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Malcolm and Simone Collins, the pro-natalist couple who are reportedly consulting the Donald Trump administration on how to encourage American women to have more babies, are something of a deliberate heel: they often seem to be attempting to provoke the ire of their audience. The couple espouse the pro-natalism that is sweeping the political right with an explicit eugenicist tilt (self-styled “elites”, the Collins scan their IVF-generated embryos before their pregnancies, in an effort to select for features like high IQ). They dress in the severe black outfits of German modernists, with an emphasis on the “German” part, and wear large, unusually shaped eyeglasses; Simone has also taken to wearing large bonnets that make her look like Mother Goose, or, in their less subtle versions, like an extra on The Handmaid’s Tale.” The pair met on Reddit.

The founders of a pro-birth organization, the Collinses’ assert that there is a crisis of declining birth rates in America. (In reality, the slight dip in America’s birth rate in recent years is almost entirely due to the decline of teen pregnancies.) They aim to fix this in part by breeding as many of their own children as possible: they currently have four, blameless innocents they have cruelly burdened with names like “Industry Americus” and “Torsten Savage”. But they seem to be more adept at siring media profiles of themselves, of which there have been many. The couple insist upon their own genetic superiority, like a breeding-obsessed Boris and Natasha. They aim to advance a future of more babies and – by their own terms – better ones: what Simone calls “genetically selected humans”. They must be doing it on purpose: no one could become so off-putting by accident.

Because these people are styling themselves after the villains of a Saturday morning cartoon, they are of course now deeply influential in the Trump administration. A New York Times report finds that the couple has been solicited by White House advisers to develop proposals to “persuade” American women to have more babies.

“Persuasion” may not be entirely the right word. After all, with the fall of Roe v Wade in 2022, more than half the states now have abortion bans in effect, meaning that many American women, unable to access legal care to end their pregnancies, are being not so much persuaded as forced to have children. But for the pro-natalists, this isn’t good enough. What the movement desires – and what they are hoping their partnership with the Trump administration will achieve – is not just a rise in the American birthrate but a wholesale revolution in American culture, with enforcement of rightwing social values and a profound transformation of women’s role in American life.

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Moira Donegan: What is America's pro-natalism movement really about? (Original Post) Nevilledog 15 hrs ago OP
White Babies Deep State Witch 14 hrs ago #1
It's pure Nazism Johnny2X2X 14 hrs ago #2
Moira really nails it at the end Quiet Em 13 hrs ago #3
Controlling women, keeping them home and dependant. lindysalsagal 13 hrs ago #4
Oh, boy. I fear Industry Americus and Torsten Savage will have some issues to work through. tanyev 12 hrs ago #5

Deep State Witch

(11,742 posts)
1. White Babies
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:55 PM
14 hrs ago

Maybe Asian and SE Asian and rich Middle Easterners. No blacks, reds, or browns need apply.

Johnny2X2X

(22,764 posts)
2. It's pure Nazism
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:02 PM
14 hrs ago

Replacement theory is Neo Nazi theory that brown and black people are reproducing at such a high rate that they're replacing white popele here in the US, and of course, it's the Jews they think are behind it all.

This movement is 100% about getting white people to have more babies.

Quiet Em

(1,807 posts)
3. Moira really nails it at the end
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:17 PM
13 hrs ago
Even the most pointed of the mainstream liberal critics tend to concede cultural ground, arguing that American women want babies (as, it is assumed, they should) but cannot afford them.

This is shortsighted: it cedes the pro-natalist’s biggest point, which is in dictating what kind of life American women should want – and be enabled – to have.

In their rush to affirm that American women should be tricked or coerced into having more babies – or encouraged in doing so with an expanded welfare state – these thinkers are abandoning the crucial point: that women should be able, free and encouraged to live lives that do not conform to regressive notions of women’s proper roles as wives and mothers, that they should be free to invent themselves on their own terms – including as permanently childless adults. This is not, as the pro-natalists would have it, an abandonment of their biological duty – and it is not, as their liberal sympathizers would say, an example of cultural decadence.

It is instead a matter of personal liberty – something that some of us, at least, still believe in for women, too.

lindysalsagal

(22,662 posts)
4. Controlling women, keeping them home and dependant.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 03:20 PM
13 hrs ago

Patriarchy trying to regain the upper hand.

tanyev

(46,152 posts)
5. Oh, boy. I fear Industry Americus and Torsten Savage will have some issues to work through.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 04:51 PM
12 hrs ago
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