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moniss

(7,090 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:13 AM 20 hrs ago

Since ICE is now running agents around with no identifying

badges or markings and driving unmarked vehicles when they grab people how is it possible to distinguish this from just some crooks kidnapping somebody? I'll go a step further. With "Stand Your Ground" out there if someone is armed are they not justified in opening fire on people who try to grab them and don't identify as law enforcement of some sort? I'm expecting the MAGA lunatics to start pretending to be official enforcement and trying to grab people.

At some point some of this can go real bad if the ICE goons get the wrong person or house. Kind of like the cops when they do a "no knock" raid on the wrong house or apartment and shooting starts because people think crooks are coming in.

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Girard442

(6,623 posts)
2. If ICE runs into resistance, they just smoke everybody and then claim....
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:30 AM
19 hrs ago

...they clearly announced themselves as goverment agents.

NCDem47

(2,781 posts)
4. One of my local TV station's news program loves leading with ICE raids
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:35 AM
19 hrs ago

Then the reporter will say "We have no information on the target or charge." They just air folks being rounded up with no explanation.

I am seeing a recent trend though at associating it with "gangs." And that's it.

LuckyLib

(6,964 posts)
12. What horribly racist media coverage. Fear based
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:24 PM
14 hrs ago

and inflammatory. People in this community need to protest and boycott such “news.”

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,718 posts)
5. It's bad enough as it is.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:41 AM
19 hrs ago
At some point some of this can go real bad if the ICE goons get the wrong person or house.


This has already happened. One reportedly said "this isn't the guy" and the other said "take him anyway."

https://documentedny.com/2025/04/14/ice-bukele-cecot-tren-de-aragua-el-salvador-new-york-deported/

Wilmer only found out his son had been detained after receiving a phone call on February 24 from his nephew, Luis, who lives with them. That morning was their last time together; they had gone around the corner to do their laundry. Later that day, Wilmer said that his son met with a friend to get help with some errands at the American Red Cross. He learned this from Luis, who looked at the situation from inside the apartment: When his son was on his way back, just steps from his home, ICE agents stopped him. “The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, ‘No, he’s not the one,’ like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, ‘Take him anyway.'”

That moment marked the beginning of Wilmer’s search for answers — answers he’s still waiting for.

Johnny2X2X

(22,764 posts)
6. So ICE is set up to be Trump's Gestapo
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:56 AM
19 hrs ago

That's why he's pushing for the ability to send US citizens to El Salvador. This is rapidly turning into a situation where the government can disappear anyone for any reason without any hint of due process. They're basically doing it to brown people with Hispanic sounding names already and that's why they're getting away with it.

By the end of the year I predict some demonstrators will be disappeared in similar fashion, Trump explicitely is claiming this right already.

Irish_Dem

(68,459 posts)
9. They will probably charge people with assault who fight back.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:42 AM
18 hrs ago

Let them charge me the nazi bastards.

RockRaven

(17,161 posts)
10. Anyone who "stands their ground" against TCF's brownshirts will be dead before
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:35 AM
17 hrs ago

they get a chance to vindicate themselves in court. That is one of the many reasons the described behavior is so unacceptable -- it creates unnecessary risks and lose-lose choices.

moniss

(7,090 posts)
11. Quite possibly but I think it's bound to happen sooner or later where
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:22 PM
16 hrs ago

they make a mistake like the cops do. As I said in a comment response above I think that ICE would just kill everybody and make up whatever story was needed.

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