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DemocratSinceBirth

(100,905 posts)
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:00 PM Tuesday

Do you approve of MAGA's plan to start a registry of neurodivergent minors?


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Do you approve of MAGA's plan to start a registry of neurodivergent minors? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday OP
Where's the "What the actual F*ck???" option? RandomNumbers Tuesday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba Tuesday #2
No, be real. They want to "identify" cheats who don't deserve govt money (i.e. most of them) so they can prosecute Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #36
Absolutely NOT! SheltieLover Tuesday #3
I'm not even sure these guys have been to the United States, much less understand what we stand for Walleye Tuesday #4
Maybe they are doing this so they can feed them to Elon's Neurolink Implant farms. chowder66 Tuesday #5
The Matrix is here, do you want the red pill or the blue pill? wcmagumba Tuesday #7
I'll stick with Nitrous Oxide. chowder66 Tuesday #13
I don't know what that is. I can't vote Tickle Tuesday #6
Then you could look it up you know NoRethugFriends Tuesday #29
You didn't have an option for JFC NO but I voted anyway Maru Kitteh Tuesday #8
I don't know. What do folks who have autism or a child with it think? GusBob Tuesday #9
RFK, Jr. canceled all those NIH studies. yardwork Tuesday #11
Seems like a good way to have your neurodivergent child disappeared. DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #14
See post below. They already have a database GusBob Tuesday #16
You have to understand that "they" have changed ecstatic Yesterday #39
New NIH director - Dr Jay Bhattacharya womanofthehills Yesterday #35
Battacharya is an infamous COVID vaccine denier. yardwork Yesterday #42
I would urge your neighbor not to put her daughter on a MAGA list of the neurodivergent. DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #12
You are kinda push polling this Sir GusBob Tuesday #15
Are you aware of what RFK, Jr. has done to the NIH? yardwork Tuesday #17
It seems he is unaware Jr. gutted it and is trying to fill it with lackeys DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #20
Yes they are incompetent fer sure GusBob Tuesday #26
I saw how regimes evocative of MAGA "treated" the neurodivergent DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #19
Sounds like I am being unreasonable, you 're spot on GusBob Tuesday #21
If DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #23
Still trying to understand but it looks like one cannot necessarily opt out AllyCat Tuesday #28
I am autistic. I don't "have it". meadowlander Yesterday #44
I don't approve of ANYTHING MAGA does Skittles Tuesday #10
No. H2O Man Tuesday #18
Thank you, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #22
Not even. H2O Man Tuesday #25
I don't want the government to have a registry of anything. GoodRaisin Tuesday #24
More of the Nazi non-sense. Bluethroughu Tuesday #27
Do you trust this administration with your medical records? DemocratSinceBirth Yesterday #30
No way! Bluethroughu Yesterday #33
No, and I don't approve of anything else they're doing Meowmee Yesterday #31
This would just lead to more discrimination sakabatou Yesterday #32
Kennedy has a huge following of moms of autistic kids womanofthehills Yesterday #37
I am a mom of an autistic person and I despise RFK, Jr. yardwork Yesterday #40
You honestly think Kennedy is looking for answers? Happy Hoosier Yesterday #41
We already have answers. Spoiler alert - It's genetic. meadowlander Yesterday #43
Hell no!! 👎👎👎 RainCaster Yesterday #34
I work in special Ed, and am a special Ed mom, so GPV Yesterday #38

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,819 posts)
36. No, be real. They want to "identify" cheats who don't deserve govt money (i.e. most of them) so they can prosecute
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:47 AM
Yesterday

... "most of them" from the Muskian-Thielian point of view, not ours of course.

Walleye

(39,758 posts)
4. I'm not even sure these guys have been to the United States, much less understand what we stand for
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:15 PM
Tuesday

They act like they’ve never heard of our constitution

chowder66

(10,427 posts)
5. Maybe they are doing this so they can feed them to Elon's Neurolink Implant farms.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:37 PM
Tuesday

I'm being facetious. Sort of.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
9. I don't know. What do folks who have autism or a child with it think?
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:59 PM
Tuesday

My best friends daughter has a very rare form of Down syndrome, like less than 1000 people in the US
I think it’s called a rainbow version or some such

Very little about it is known, so many the families have formed a group, mostly to raise money and share information for their Drs or for research. Is that a bad thing?

If they are doing legit research, and the CBS story indicates it’s an NIH study, then I reckon folks that have or live with autism might be ok with it

If it is just to prove the vaccine cause bullcrap, then no

In my profession we use a long range comprehensive research study on a very common condition which I’d bet affects DUers or someone they know. The subjects gave up all sorts of medical information and were studied over decades. It was a ground breaking study which led to better diagnosis and treatment

Edit to add; the NIH website lists nearly 80 different registries I looked it up



yardwork

(66,314 posts)
11. RFK, Jr. canceled all those NIH studies.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:16 PM
Tuesday

He fired all the scientists who oversee research into autism and other conditions and ensure that patients' rights and privacy are protected.

Now he wants to put together a list of people with autism, with no scientific oversight or assurance of patients' rights.

Not just no. Hell no.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
16. See post below. They already have a database
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:36 PM
Tuesday

With 10,000 participants.

The information is all up from previous NIH studies

ecstatic

(34,748 posts)
39. You have to understand that "they" have changed
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:05 AM
Yesterday

There's a new group of people in charge. And their motivations will not necessarily be the same as their predecessors. Think about what a group who denies science and suppresses inconvenient information will do.

ETA: Also, my work is adjacent to a lot of intellectual disabilities programs which cost billions upon billions of dollars every year. It's likely the most expensive part of the healthcare and education budget in each state. I think part of why they're rounding up names is so they can identify whose services they want to cut.

womanofthehills

(9,671 posts)
35. New NIH director - Dr Jay Bhattacharya
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:47 AM
Yesterday

Bio
Jay Bhattacharya is a Professor of Medicine at Stanford University. He is a research associate at the National Bureau of Economics Research, a senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research, and at the Stanford Freeman Spogli Institute. He holds courtesy appointments as Professor in Economics and in Health Research and Policy. He directs the Stanford Center on the Demography of Health and Aging. Dr. Bhattacharya’s research focuses on the economics of health care around the world with a particular emphasis on the health and well-being of vulnerable populations. Dr. Bhattacharya’s peer-reviewed research has been published in economics, statistics, legal, medical, public health, and health policy journals. He holds an MD and PhD in economics from Stanford University.

https://profiles.stanford.edu/jay-bhattacharya

yardwork

(66,314 posts)
42. Battacharya is an infamous COVID vaccine denier.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:08 AM
Yesterday

He promoted the foolish idea of "herd immunity." He opposed the COVID vaccine, which saves lives.

Will he restores some order to the agency? I hope so.

RFK, Jr., Musk, and Trump have done irreparable damage to biomedical research.

They are disgusting, evil, vile people.

https://www.science.org/content/article/new-nih-director-defends-grant-cuts-part-shift-support-maha-vision

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,905 posts)
12. I would urge your neighbor not to put her daughter on a MAGA list of the neurodivergent.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:21 PM
Tuesday

They simply can not be trusted with that information.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
15. You are kinda push polling this Sir
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:35 PM
Tuesday

It’s not MAGA, it’s NIH. There are currently 8 pages of study results on Autism studies and results listed on the NIH website. Including a registry with 10,000 participants!

Data is data

And you and I have no business telling my friends what they should do with their special needs daughter. Good Lord.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
26. Yes they are incompetent fer sure
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:12 PM
Tuesday

The lackeys left all the previous studies up on the NIH website

Including one that says vaccines don’t cause autism and failure to vaccinate increases the risks of measles.

They clearly suck at gutting

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,905 posts)
19. I saw how regimes evocative of MAGA "treated" the neurodivergent
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:44 PM
Tuesday

Eternal vigilance is required when fascist regimes are involved.

GusBob

(7,875 posts)
21. Sounds like I am being unreasonable, you 're spot on
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:49 PM
Tuesday

You should start a nationwide advocacy thing for special needs kids and families.
They need to be warned that the government is going to disappear their kids

Good luck with it

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,905 posts)
23. If
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:52 PM
Tuesday

If you believe this administration is worthy of the public trust there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. You can start a poll- "Do you believe the Trump administration has earned the public trust?"

AllyCat

(17,839 posts)
28. Still trying to understand but it looks like one cannot necessarily opt out
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:30 PM
Tuesday

Their kid. They plan to just take data about minor patients from…? I dunno.

meadowlander

(4,891 posts)
44. I am autistic. I don't "have it".
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:30 AM
Yesterday

It's a common (1 in 30) pattern of neurological differences, not a disease. There is tons of research already establishing that it is genetic. Literally everyone else in my family is also autistic. It doesn't need to be "cured" because it is a different way of experiencing and processing the world which is equally as valid as any other.

If people want to volunteer themselves or their underage kids to participate in a study with a defined purpose such as to look at options to improve quality of life for autistic people, then fine.

But that's light years away from requiring all neurodivergent people (which btw includes ADHD, dyslexia, Tourettes, complex PTSD, etc.) to register their identity with the government. Fuck that.

Autism is an identity, not a disease. How would you feel about a national registry of LGBTQ+ people? Or a national registry of black people? Or a national registry of recovering alcoholics and drug addicts? I'm sure they could drum up some tenuous medical excuse for that as well but it would be equally repugnant. Why not a national registry of people who have been diagnosed with clinical depression so we can reduce suicides by limiting their access to firearms?

And even if it was a disease, who on earth would agree to this government making a list of everyone with diabetes or cancer and then keeping it in a probably insecure location where it will inevitably be leaked to insurance companies and prospective employers?

Name one other class of US citizen (other than sex offenders) that is legally required to register themselves on a centralised database.

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,905 posts)
22. Thank you, sir.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:50 PM
Tuesday

Have they done anything to demonstrate they can be trusted with that information?

H2O Man

(76,664 posts)
25. Not even.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:03 PM
Tuesday

I find this extremely unsettling. I am unaware of any potential advantages to it, and can see terrible possibilities. A person's medical records are between them and their medical providers. Bad enough insurance companies are involved.

GoodRaisin

(10,120 posts)
24. I don't want the government to have a registry of anything.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:54 PM
Tuesday

I want them to stay out of my life, like they should.

Bluethroughu

(7,185 posts)
33. No way!
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:29 AM
Yesterday

This is the Nazi playbook, in all these EOs or policies they are pushing out of the Whitehouse.

womanofthehills

(9,671 posts)
37. Kennedy has a huge following of moms of autistic kids
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:58 AM
Yesterday

This began in 2007 when he was the chairman of the World Mercury Project which became Children’s Heath Defence around 2013. He then became director of CHD for 8 yrs. CHD is made up of moms of autistic kids - millions of moms are subscribers. If you go on X, you will see he has a huge following of moms of autistic kids. The moms want answers. Some are called the MAHA Moms. - Make America Healthy Again

How is looking for answers discrimination?

yardwork

(66,314 posts)
40. I am a mom of an autistic person and I despise RFK, Jr.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:02 AM
Yesterday

I despise him more than I despise Trump.

RFK, Jr. is a fool, a sex offender, and a disgusting human being. He knows that the NIH has funded millions of dollars of research into autism. The potential links to vaccines have been studied thoroughly and no link exists. And now he's in charge and he's cut all the funding for legitimate work and replaced it with junk science.

RFK, Jr. is single-handedly responsible for the deaths of millions of children in Africa, because of his decades" long evil work. And now he's bringing it to us.

He's a truly evil person.

Happy Hoosier

(8,889 posts)
41. You honestly think Kennedy is looking for answers?
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:07 AM
Yesterday

I havr some lovely swamp land to sell you. There are MANY researchers looking for answers. Kennedy and the anti-science crowd aren’t interested in actual answers. They want to justify their beliefs and to ban vaccines. Kennedy and his ilk prey on the hopes and fears of parents who want something to blame.

meadowlander

(4,891 posts)
43. We already have answers. Spoiler alert - It's genetic.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:12 AM
Yesterday
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250415-the-genetic-mystery-of-why-some-people-develop-autism

Requiring people with a specific condition to sign up for a national registry is an appalling abuse of power, particularly where that same government has shown itself to be completely incompetent at protecting sensitive information.

Whether or not I choose to disclose my autism to my employer is my business. I personally have but many people do not because of the stigma still attached to it. However, once that data (which the government has no actual use for) has been breached and it all goes up on the web somewhere any prospective employer would likely be able to find it and use it as an excuse not to hire me. That's how it is discriminatory.

How would you feel if everyone with diabetes, HIV, or cancer was required to register on a government database for some vaguely defined "research purpose" and then that data was leaked to insurance companies and potential employers?
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