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Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:10 PM Tuesday

Deadline: Legal Blog-The Supreme Court's latest case on religion in school could have far-reaching consequences

Parents say they face an “impossible choice.” Maryland school officials say the parents want to “unsettle a decades-old consensus.”
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Technically, the plaintiffs of various faiths aren’t trying to control what gets taught or to ban books. Rather, they’re asking for notice and a chance to opt their kids out of certain instruction, in this case sparked by books featuring LGBTQ characters.

So, what’s the problem with that? After all, the Montgomery County school system previously allowed such “opt-outs.”

Lawyers for the school system told the justices that growing opt-out requests prompted three related concerns: “high student absenteeism, the infeasibility of administering opt-outs across classrooms and schools, and the risk of exposing students who believe the storybooks represent them and their families to social stigma and isolation.”

They said the implications of the parents’ position are drastic, accusing them of trying to “unsettle a decades-old consensus that parents who choose to send their children to public school are not deprived of their right to freely exercise their religion simply because their children are exposed to curricular materials the parents find offensive.”

Outside briefs from school groups highlight the potential impact beyond the particular facts of this case.

One of them tells the justices that the idea behind keeping kindergartners from the books at issue here “will also apply to the parents of a high-school or middle-school student who wish to prevent their ninth grader from being exposed to evolution or their sixth-grader being exposed to any pictures of girls who are not wearing a hijab.” Likewise, another brief lists an array of objections lodged around the country to various topics, such as interracial marriage, feminism, yoga, Earth Day, community service, magic, witches, wizards, evolution, vaccinations and more.....

Ultimately, it could wind up being not so much whether the religious side wins but where the court draws the line. That line-drawing consideration is an important one in many appeals but especially so here. Tuesday’s hearing could shed light on what the court will do as the term nears its unofficial end, when the court usually publishes its final rulings by July.

This case is very concerning. Lines will be drawn and these lines could affect education.
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Supreme Court likely to rule for parental opt-out on LGBTQ books in schools LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #1

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1. Supreme Court likely to rule for parental opt-out on LGBTQ books in schools
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:48 PM
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I was afraid of this



https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/04/supreme-court-likely-to-rule-for-parental-opt-out-on-lgbtq-books-in-schools/

The Supreme Court on Tuesday was sympathetic to a group of Maryland parents who want to be able to opt their elementary-school-aged children out of instruction that includes LGBTQ+ themes. The parents argued that the local school board’s refusal to give them that choice violates their religious beliefs and therefore their constitutional right to freely exercise their religion. During nearly two-and-a-half hours of oral argument, a majority of the justices seemed to agree with them, with several justices questioning whether there would even be any harm to simply allowing the parents to excuse their children from the instruction.

The parents in the case have children in the public schools in Montgomery County, which is in the Washington, D.C., suburbs and is one of the most religiously diverse counties in the United States. The parents include Tamer Mahmoud and Enas Barakat, who are Muslim, Melissa and Chris Persak, who are Roman Catholic, and Svitlana and Jeff Roman, who are Ukrainian Orthodox and Roman Catholic. ....

The justices also focused on the related idea whether being exposed to the storybooks actually coerces the parents to violate their religion. Justice Sonia Sotomayor maintained that it does not. “Haven’t we made very clear,” she asked Baxter, “that the mere exposure to things that you object to is not coercion?”

But Chief Justice John Roberts appeared more skeptical. He noted that even if the county policy does not require students “to affirm what is being taught in books or lessons,” that may not be “a realistic concept for a five-year-old.” Telling such young students that they don’t have to agree with the teacher, Roberts observed, “may be a more dangerous message.”

Justice Samuel Alito appeared firmly on the side of the parents. He asked Alan Schoenfeld, who represented the school board, about a scenario in which a teacher told students that anyone who believed that same-sex marriage was not moral “is not a good person.”

Schoenfeld agreed with Alito that such comments would “absolutely” be coercion at the point that they became derogatory of people with particular beliefs.

But Alito seemed unsatisfied, emphasizing that under the county’s current policy a school can teach children moral principles that are “highly objectionable to parents and they can’t opt out.”

The court’s Democratic appointees expressed concern that the parents’ proposed rule would have a wide sweep, giving them broad discretion to opt out. Justice Elena Kagan first pressed Baxter to explain his rule. At bottom, she asked, “is the key question that when a religious person confronts something in a classroom that conflicts with her parent’s religious beliefs, then the parent can opt out?

When Baxter responded that it is, Kagan worried aloud that parents will then decide that it is unfair for their children to have to leave the classroom to avoid the materials to which they object, leading to a challenge to the materials themselves.

Kagan returned to this topic with Schoenfeld, observing that Baxter had emphasized that opt-outs were relatively rare in other scenarios, such as high schools and the teaching of evolution – suggesting that they would also be limited if the court were to rule for the parents.

Schoenfeld pushed back, telling Kagan that “if you constitutionalize it, people will invoke it.”

Justice Sonia Sotomayor echoed Kagan’s concerns about the potentially broad scope of the parents’ position, noting that there have also been objections to “biographical material about women who have been recognized for achievement outside their home,” as well as books featuring divorce, interfaith marriage, and immodest dress. Where, she queried, will the parents draw the line beyond requiring the school to inform them of the curriculum and then allow them to opt out?

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson voiced similar skepticism. She asked how far the parents’ rule would extend. For example, she inquired, could a parent ask to have her child not placed in a classroom with a gay teacher who has pictures of her same-sex wedding in the classroom?

Several of the justices, however, seemed to see the question as a fairly straightforward one. As Justice Brett Kavanaugh asked Baxter, the parents are not “seeking to stop instruction in the classroom,” but only “not to be forced to participate in it.” And if the parents are simply seeking to have their children excused from instruction using the storybooks, Alito asked, “what is the big deal about allowing them to opt out of this?”
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