none.

We got two of them as POTUS. Under estimate to your own peril.

And conservative from a liberal state has a much better chance to win. It is a weird truth. Clinton from Arkansas of Trump from NY.

This is not constructive. Shooting down possible candidates before they even hit the campaign trail is a guarantee we will pick the wrong person and certify that a right wing loon will get the office. Let the chips fall first. We have a bad habit of purity tests here and misunderstanding what the populace wants. DU is NOT John and Jane voter. Get over it.

And I do mean “sunk” … Mike Royko said much later that he only meant “Governor Moonbeam” in jest, but this country is a funny place, and any Democratic candidate who trips and falls over someone’s prank or joke is likely to be done for.

Jerry Brown was a great man, but his governorship and potus run are decades in the past. Some day we’ll look back at Newsom and say how great he was — I just hope that this current effort from our side (?) to take him down pre-emptively by dragging him through the mud does not succeed. He deserves a better hearing than that.

You’re telling me Republicans have a coherent and enticing platform? No, they have a leader that they worship.

Gavin is really damaging himself every time he talks.

Maybe he is afraid a new Obama will swoop in and steal his thunder. One can only hope.

…when Trump was nothing but a “man on a white horse” for working class rural whites.

but it's still the candidate with the most Charisma that wins.

Right now, that's still Newsom. Sorry, DU.

I think Harris is #1 but AOC is #2. Good luck to Newsom he's going to need it. If I want a charismatic sociopathic I will vote for that but Newsom threw homeless, trans athletes, and abducted migrants under the bus to boost his political chances. Good luck, he's going to need it.

I have doubts Harris will even run.

I'd been happy to vote for Buttigieg in the General. I doubt I'll get the opportunity.

n/t

We have to do more than just react to what the Republicans are doing. We need to come up with a message that convinces people we are going to improve their lives. The Republicans have one. It's wrong, but they have one - get rid of illegal immigrants.

yes indeed

Republican or Democrat that the threat is real. Then when they are defeated, then what.

do you mean WE.....just curious

Would it sell? I mean that's what needs to be done, but that doesn't make it practical, saleable, popular, or likely to happen.

Dems who are Fighting Back.. like Gov Hochul of New York, Gov Pritzker Ilinois, Gov Shapiro PA.

Not interested in Lectures and what those have to say who get on Fascist "podcast". Bad move.

well spoken and inspiring and not inclined to arm waving but clearly able to win the election. We really need to win this election so it means the candidate should not need to haul the baggage of being the first fill in the blank to win the presidency. Let's get the nation straightened out if we can first. Winning control of the House and Senate would be very good too.

I think the Democratic party screwed up in not having Biden, a sitting vice president of 8 years, run after Obama because I believe he would have beaten Trump and changed history.
I believe that Biden would have beaten Trump again in 2020.

Joe Biden, a human being and a father, was gutted. His decision had nothing to do with the Democratic Party.

I do hope you joined me in voting for Vice President Hilary Clinton though.

I voted for Hillary who made a big mistake here in Wisconsin by never making even a single general election campaign stop here. Last year Harris was in Wisconsin more times than I could count as well as Trump and both were in my home city. No candidates are ignoring Wisconsin anymore. Trump won here last year by less than 1%.
In '16, lots of Democrats figured that Hillary was a lock to win so that freed them to vote for Jill Stein on the Green Party who received more votes here than Trump's margin of victory.
I've had 1 rock solid rule in my over 50 years of voting--always vote for the Democratic candidate. I was certain that Harris would win last year but I still got out and voted for her.

Unless my information is incorrect. Kamala by about 41,000 and Hillary by 22,748. The "If Only Hillary Had a Few More Rallies for White People" theory that people have is ridiculous.

Is was an indication to many Democratic voters here that she felt she had the state in the bag, to others, she took winning WI for granted. It can't be said the state was off the beaten path and last year Harris was here all the time.
As I wrote, in "16, Stein received more votes than Trump's margin of victory.
What is ridiculous is your comment about white people. But then I won't be able to see your comments anymore.

I really do not get this obsession. Our Dem presidential candidates spend an inordinate amount of time and energy in the small-population states, and fringe candidates come out and massage a bunch of egos in the edges — for God’s sake, Jill Stein — and then the chorus arises that Dems “ignored” people. Really?

Would never go to one.

People have, like, TVs and internet, they're not living in caves. Maybe it's that thing where nothing's happening unless people see it with their own two eyes (and even then... ). The Rally obsession: people have been told that rallies are The Way of Political Revolution (and a convenient mindless way to blame Hillary for Trump), and Democrats Ignore the Working Class Because Corrupt the foundation of the ego-savior's religion.

The drought of March, and pierced it to the root,
And every vein is bathed in that moisture
Whose quickening force will engender the flower;
And when the west wind too with its sweet breath
Has given life in every wood and field
To tender shoots, and when the stripling sun
Has run his half-course in Aries, the Ram,
And when small birds are making melodies,
That sleep all the long night with open eyes,
(Nature so prompts them, and encourages);
Then people long to insult and bash Democrats before the primaries

If he had run despite his son’s death, the MAGAGOP would have launched a campaign about Joe’s robotic cold-heartedness and something being wrong with his brain. (I do recall that the fact that Hillary kept her temper in the face of everything got her called robotic and cold)

But no, it’s all his fault that two incredibly qualified female candidates lost to the bone-deep misogyny of America.

current administration while still serving there. This, really was the problem of Harris.

The only one who did, in the past 60 years was Bush Sr. and he lasted only one term even after the glory of the first gulf war.

I pass😀

If this isn't some strategic play for legacy both-sides backfill going into the 2028 general, you're just torpedoing your chance of winning the primary for nothing.

But this sudden denial of that which wasn't even implied and a hasty rush to a reference so as to define and shift emphasis to what's already a commonly-known idiom seems a bit heavy handed, enough to make me want to reexamine the premise. Now Gov. Newsom certainly doesn't strike me as any more racist than your typical white American, and given his overall background he's likely less. So why put something out there that could be misconstrued as racial, if not racist, per se?

Thinking more about his words, he says, "We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that's going to come save the day — it's exhausting," which I took to mean there's no ready-made leader available (or even desirable) to "rebuild the party...top down" as he later indicates. He's quite careful not to bias the gender of the hypothetical hero figure, but possibly just bypassed that speech filter when it comes to the horse, especially with it being a big part of the impact of the expression -- the maleness of the rider is implicit (viz. "man on a white horse" ) but somehow less essential, nowadays at least. It's really hard (for me) to derive anything actually racist from what he said even if the whiteness of the horse was a racial characterization in some way -- likely more idiomatic than anything. Even so, apparently this counts as a concerning statement, maybe even a gaff. It could easily be clipped and used out-of-context in attack ads during the primaries. In context, it's nothing. But when you have to watch how you say every little thing due to potential out-of-context uses, it's a misstep.

Which brings me back to what I actually did say. If this isn't at least part of a larger strategy for the general election, he has opened himself up to such lines of attack for nothing. Perhaps he's pre-positioning himself for a specific launch vector to his likely presidential run. or it could be a simple unforced error. So thanks for pointing that factor out to me, I'd initially overlooked it, but there's something interesting in there.

Your post title was along the lines of what color is YOUR horse. I interpreted that as your objection to the whiteness of the horse in question, as it were.

Nor will I visit that forum. It's all too often toxic, full of unsubstantiated inuendo, lies, damn lies, statistics and enough bullshit to fertilize the planet and Mars.

The fact some are already doing the mud slinging is quite telling. Very telling. It's not like he isn't wrong, votes matter and to get them you have to get to people on the ground. Walking around like your ass doesn't stink may work for the GOP, but it won't work for us. To pull the rug from under them, you have to stoop down to grab the rug and pull it.

I don't see this as constructive, just more bickering for the sake of bickering. This type of discussion helps no one and only disenfranchise people. I'm not going to vote based on some few comments people don't like. I'm voting for the best person for the job and if happens to be Newsom, so be it. He's definitely better than what the GOP has to offer. Let's stop sabotaging ourselves.

Unicorns are featured, as are gift ponies. Universal free health care on Day One.

Defending Newsom by bringing up ponies and unicorns is bad faith disagreement.

He’s spelunking! He threw somebody under the bus! He failed to do something he never promised to do! He failed to do something he tried to do but was beaten down by Repubs!

Fucking unbearable.

He supported comprehensive immigration reform and for the most part was LGBT friendly.

I had some complaints of Obama but I still voted for him in 2008 & 2012. Someone like Newsom wouldn't be my first choice for a primary. I could understand if he was the Democratic standard bearer but I feel like we have other and better options for 2028.

"I don't belong to any organized political party, I'm a Democrat" - Roy Rodgers

Did a lot of interviews recently.

Will Rogers was before my time.

But a good quote for sure.

It is sad.

You seem to have the necessary background.

You'll vote for him. Be a Yellow Dog Dem.

We see an obvious Personality Cult around Trump, and Newsom is right to point out the nonsense of hoping for some “Better Personality” that we can all rally behind. What we do need is a very strong movement (or movements) supported by the party. And we need a large coalition that doesn’t work against itself.

He cares about becoming the most powerful man in the world. That's not what this moment calls for. We need someone ready to inspire a movement for change, not "finger in the wind" politics as usual. I'm not buying what he's selling.

With the right.

He’s right though. No one is coming to save us.

They'll be ecstatic to just get someone sane, intelligent, and competent in the White House.

“Don’t go looking for a savior on a horse ... don’t beg me to run please please please don’t start a Draft Gavin PAC ... “

😳

I don’t see anyone yet who I think can win.

Let me say it, make people angry, and go on. I don't know what is going on, but Democrats are squandering every opportunity they've had to prevent this orange headed bastard from grabbing power and beating them over the head with it. He's a criminal and should be in prison right now, but he's in the White House because Democrats sat on their hands and did nothing to stop him for four years, FOUR YEARS! And now they are looking for a hero and scratching their heads trying to figure why a majority of Americans want Trump gone, but won't turn to them to get it done.

Stop the status quo politics. I'm with David Hogg, if we're going to win elections we need leaders who can do it, not those who just want to play political games and do nothing of substance.

and coddling fascists is not a winning strategy

I'm interested in seeing if David Hogg can achieve real results that embrace democracy and not bigotry.

It's part of being the adults in the room that the Dems are always having to be.

fucking ridiculous

of swooning over Gavin Newsom. I read a lot of the numerous comments there, and they were nothing like the disgusting comments here about the governor of the biggest and most reliably liberal states. A lot of the comments here prove him right.

They don't believe in democracy.

They want to destroy the federal government.

Tell me why the Democratic Party needs to rebuild itself ???

"We are as dumb as we want to be."

What the fuck is that suppose to mean ???

NT

I am pretty sure I and many others have a lot more to lose and some like me have already lost what is immeasurable while GN has lost zip, and will be ok no matter what most likely.

My point is that we have lots of very capable, passionate leaders out there already. We just need to coalesce and advance with a strong unified message. We don’t need someone on a white horse to ride in out of nowhere to save us.

My comment still stands... someone who has lost nothing and who has little to lose should not be saying things like that.

I'm not so sure about our candidates, so far I don't see anyone I think can win.

Doesn’t anyone remember 2006-2008? Does absolutely no one at the DNC remember the name Howard Dean?

In four years, his vision and tireless efforts helped us retake the House, the Senate and the White House. Was that so bad? He’s not a hermit, you know. Even I have Howard on speed dial. If no one at the DNC does, then they either have some hidden geniuses there they are keeping secret, or they need to get off their high horse (color irrelevant), and hire a few. Or call Howard, maybe beg a bit. (Just kidding—Howard is always willing to impart his knowledge, and help out, even though he will be 77 this year)

There are always people who say they know how to get it done. Howard did it.

That's not going to change just because Newsom says it should. It is what it is and we just have to work around our shortcomings.

At least we're not cruel, thoughtless thugs who support a lying rapist thug like those in maga.

The sooner you terminate your future political chances, the better I'll feel. Considering what a monumental disappointment you turned out to be, I suppose I should feel some gratitude for your self-immolation---but I just can't manage it.

"looking for a savior."

Coordination of efforts SHOULD BE a basic party function.

opposing Trump, but all of them, some in particular, need to raise their game.

He said he doesn't know what the Democratic Party is and what we stand for. That comment is completely out of touch.

The Democratic Party is about lifting up everyone. The Republican Party is about catering to white men only at the expense of everyone else.

The Democratic Party is about making the economy work for everyone. Affordable housing, decent wages, affordable food, goods and services, access to decent health care and education, jobs and opportunites to thrive. The Republican Party is about enabling corporate greed and protecting millionaires.

The Democratic Party is about diplomacy and forging allies for a safer, better world for everyone. The Republican Party thinks the con artist is a King and the world should bow down to him.

Now I realize that Gavin is concerned that his own son is being influenced by Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson but that is something that he needs to work on, personally. A lot of young men went MAGA. A lot of young men feel like they are being left behind. But their issues and concerns aren't any different or any more real than the issues and concerns of young women, who didn't go MAGA. Eventually young men will realize that voting for bigotry, cruelty and bullying to shake things up is not going to do anything to improve their lives. The pendulum will swing back.

Talk about self-destruction! Maybe deep down he doesn't want to be president and is subconsciously sabotaging his chances.

In any case, Baaaiiiiyyyye, Gavin!

NEXT!

So much slanted paraphrasing.

"We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that's going to come save the day — it's exhausting,"
"This party needs to rebuild itself from the bottom up, not top down. We are as dumb as we want to be."

That is the ONLY direct quote, taken out f context.

What is wrong with that?

Some Democrat is accused of saying something deliberately perceived as "bad," and everyone chucks him or her. WTF.

Who's next on the hit list, I wonder.

"We don't need a savior." But Newsom isn't a populist so has been put on the STATUS QUO ESTABLISHMENT BAD list and the populist purity people bash him and others follow. The purity list is long and stupid.

He is correct. In fsct he has been correct about just about everything. The only thing I disagree with in is platforming extremists like Bannon and Kirk. Other than that his takes have been spot on all around.

When Obama was elected too many expected him to wave a magic wand and undo everything Bush had done in the previous 8 years. But that’s not how government works. Plus many on the left thought there job was done after the election and went home. Unfortunately, the tea party was mobilizing at the same time helping republicans throw roadblocks for everything Obama and democrats wanted to accomplish.