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Kathy Hochul has a message for Sean Duffy (Original Post) lapucelle Tuesday OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Jim__ Tuesday #1
Hahahahahaha! sheshe2 Tuesday #2
Hochul is such a good governor. lapucelle Tuesday #12
What an amazing woman. sheshe2 Tuesday #16
Sean Duffy is a total fucking idiot who shouldn't be in his position! Initech Tuesday #3
Can someone explain what this is all about? usaf-vet Tuesday #4
Traffic Down, Business Up: Governor Hochul Highlights Progress Made Under New York's Congestion Pricing Program Cha Tuesday #7
Or maybee even what it is quakerboy Tuesday #8
NYC congestion pricing... lapucelle Tuesday #9
It is a regressive tax on the working class IbogaProject Tuesday #17
Working class people who live in midtown Manhattan and own cars are already in the congestion zone. lapucelle Tuesday #18
The average rent paid isnt that high IbogaProject Tuesday #19
Rent is that high in midtown Manhattan, and everyone who lives here knows it. lapucelle Yesterday #21
So, sorry. The "congestion pricing is a regressive tax on working class folks who pay $3500+ in rent lapucelle Yesterday #22
Since we are jumping to conclusions IbogaProject Yesterday #23
The data you link to is from 2017, and the average rental rate lapucelle 22 hrs ago #25
Mahalo, lapucelle.. We Are NY.. We Don't Cha Tuesday #5
Mahalo, Cha! lapucelle Tuesday #11
Yeah, The Future! Resist the Cha Tuesday #13
There seem to have been an inordinate number of airline mishaps these past couple months ToxMarz Tuesday #6
I Do Blame the Fascists Bulllies for Firing Cha Tuesday #14
I dont like it as it has become solely focused on revenue IbogaProject Tuesday #10
It's hard to figure our what you're talking about. lapucelle Tuesday #15
she's become what I thought Whitmer would be Skittles Yesterday #20
I'd vote for her for President.... Sogo Yesterday #24

Response to lapucelle (Original post)

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
12. Hochul is such a good governor.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:43 PM
Tuesday

She has a really interesting background, too. Her parents were very community service-oriented and instilled those values in their children, and she's been an activist ever since.

Hochul recounts pickets, protest and pizza in SU commencement speech
Governor was class of 1980, and said she spent more time marching than in the classroom

Gov. Kathy Hochul returned to her alma mater Syracuse University Sunday to give the commencement address to the class of 2020. The ceremony had been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Hochul told stories about leading a six-month boycott of the campus bookstore and calling out order numbers at Varsity Pizzeria, a local restaurant where she used to work.

Hochul graduated from the institution in 1980 with a bachelor’s degree in political science, before attending Catholic University in Washington D.C., where she received a law degree.

Hochul admitted she didn’t spend a lot of time in class because she was either picketing or protesting something on campus.

At her 10 year reunion, Chancellor Melvin A. Eggers told her, “We couldn’t wait for you to graduate,” Hochul said, explaining that she’s still unsure about whether the comment was a joke.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Hochul-recounts-pickets-protest-and-pizza-in-SU-16471394.php

I'm proud to have worked on her campaigns for both Lieutenant Governor and Governor of NY.

sheshe2

(91,475 posts)
16. What an amazing woman.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:38 PM
Tuesday

I have to thank you for helping get her elected, lapucelle. She is good for NY.

Cha

(309,837 posts)
7. Traffic Down, Business Up: Governor Hochul Highlights Progress Made Under New York's Congestion Pricing Program
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:08 PM
Tuesday

quakerboy

(14,335 posts)
8. Or maybee even what it is
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:09 PM
Tuesday

For those of us who have used technology to forcibly decline to support Musk via our electronic devices?

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
9. NYC congestion pricing...
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:29 PM
Tuesday

It's been a remarkable success for cutting down on traffic, reducing commuting time for those who travel by bus, raising money for investment in mass transit, cutting down on air pollution, and increasing foot traffic for shops and restaurants.

Traffic Down, Business Up: Governor Hochul Highlights Progress Made Under New York’s Congestion Pricing Program

Traffic Down 11 Percent Into Central Business District and Moving 30 Percent Faster on Bridges and Tunnels; Car Honking Complaints Down More Than 70 Percent

Broadway Attendance Up Nearly 20 Percent, Restaurant Reservations Up 5 Percent and Retail Sales on Track To Increase Nearly $1 Billion

Transit Ridership Up on Subways, Buses, Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad

Office Workers in Central Business District Up 7 Percent, With Commuters Saving Up to 21 Minutes Per Daily Trip

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/traffic-down-business-governor-hochul-highlights-progress-made-under-new-yorks-congestion

IbogaProject

(4,286 posts)
17. It is a regressive tax on the working class
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:51 PM
Tuesday

It was supposed to just be about rush hour air pollution and rush hour congestion. But as soon as it cleared the environmental rules, NY State passed a law that the program's administrators must only target specific (high) revenue goals to fund mass transit. This is a TAX that is nothing to the wealthy but yet another strain on the middle class who still reside in Midtown Manhattan. Mayor Blumberg's original proposal would have exempted residents who pay city income tax and live and register their cars in the zone. The MTA is insanely corrupt and spend multiples of what the next comarable transit authority pay per unit of track work.

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
18. Working class people who live in midtown Manhattan and own cars are already in the congestion zone.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:00 PM
Tuesday

The toll is for cars entering the congestion zone.

The average rent for a studio apartment in midtown Manhattan is $3500 a month.

So is the argument that the toll is a regressive tax on working class Manhattanites who own a car and pay $3500+ a month for a one room apartment?



IbogaProject

(4,286 posts)
19. The average rent paid isnt that high
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:33 PM
Tuesday

That is the average of new leases and ignores all renewals, which is the vast majority of all apartments.

The annual apartment turnover rate in Manhattan is roughly 1.75%. This means that about 1.75% of Manhattan apartments were vacant and available for new tenants in January 2025. While the overall vacancy rate is low, it has been declining in recent months, indicating a tight rental market.

The annual apartment turnover rate in Manhattan is roughly 14.8% for renters, which is significantly lower than the national average of 25.2%. This means that in Manhattan, a smaller percentage of renters move into a new apartment each year compared to the rest of the country. In fact, a larger percentage of Manhattan residents, both renters and homeowners, tend to stay in their homes for longer periods, with a higher percentage living in their current unit for over 10 years compared to the national average.

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
21. Rent is that high in midtown Manhattan, and everyone who lives here knows it.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:38 AM
Yesterday

Where are you from?

Sorry, but a barrage of meaningless statistics about the percentage of renters who renew leases says nothing about the rental prices of those apartments or the cost of rent increases lease-to-lease.

Current Versus Historical Midtown, New York, NY Rents

Midtown rentals average $3,600 for a studio rental to $11,250 for a 4-bedroom rental. The median price of all currently available listings is $6,000, or roughly $7 per square feet.

For the apartment units and housing in April 2025, median rents have been roughly unchanged over the last year. Studio rentals prices have increased by $108 (3.11%) year-over-year from $3,461 to $3,569. 1-bedroom rentals prices have increased by $184 (4.18%) year-over-year from $4,400 to $4,584. 2-bedroom rentals prices have increased by $276 (4.10%) year-over-year from $6,725 to $7,000. 3-bedroom rentals prices have decreased by $1,092 (-9.67%) year-over-year from $11,292 to $10,200. 4-bedroom rentals prices have decreased by $1,167 (-10.00%) year-over-year from $11,667 to $10,500. Note that this figure includes all active and rented listings throughout the month.

https://www.renthop.com/average-rent-in/midtown-new-york-ny

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Here's a look at STUDIO apartments for rent in Midtown Manhattan

https://streeteasy.com/for-rent/midtown/beds:0?sort_by=se_score

https://www.realtor.com/apartments/Midtown-Manhattan_New-York_NY/type-apartments/beds-studio

https://www.trulia.com/for_rent/New_York,Midtown,NY/

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Zillow:

https://bit.ly/42nxuii
https://bit.ly/42YTrnW


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MANHATTAN RENTAL MARKET REPORT




https://www.mns.com/manhattan_rental_market_report

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
22. So, sorry. The "congestion pricing is a regressive tax on working class folks who pay $3500+ in rent
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:46 AM
Yesterday

for a single room in midtown Manhattan AND keep a car in the city" storyline isn't going to work in this case .

IbogaProject

(4,286 posts)
23. Since we are jumping to conclusions
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:46 PM
Yesterday

So I am happy for you with your six figure income enjoying less working class people clogging up the city as you jet out for the weekends to frolic. [being sarcastic since you immediately assumed I was was paying some fictitious rent due to my location, rather than asking] Both my wife and I had our fathers die during our early years and were raised by single mothers. We haven't had as much help as the typical non-regulated Manhattan renter. CityRealty was literally formed in the 1980s and built an entire practice targeting kids from upper 10% families from prestigious colleges who could have their parents guarantee their initial lease. So again I am so happy you had family resources to aid your education and getting your start here.

So as I said I live in Midtown NYC and pay half your claimed rent for me, my wife and my teen son. And my income isn't above the median for rent stabilized tenants, with three in my household where the the average stabilized unit in core midtown has an occupancy of 1.6 for regulated and 1.8 for non regulated.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/understandingTaxes/student/whys_thm03_les04.jsp#:~:text=The%20sales%20tax%20is%20an,from%20those%20with%20lower%20incomes.

The sales tax is an example of a proportional tax because all consumers, regardless of income, pay the same fixed rate. Although individuals are taxed at the same rate, flat taxes can be considered regressive because a larger portion of income is taken from those with lower incomes.

A regressive tax is a tax system where the tax burden falls disproportionately on lower-income individuals, meaning they pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes compared to higher-income individuals. This occurs because the tax applies uniformly to everyone, regardless of income, so a fixed tax amount represents a larger portion of a lower-income earner's income

Then over to you using reality sales platforms to claim an inflated average, here is actual data from NYC about this issue. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/hpd/downloads/pdfs/services/rent-regulation-memo-2.pdf

The largest difference in rents and incomes between rent stabilized and private, unregulated units is in Manhattan. While the median gross rent in Manhattan for stabilized units is about $1,500, it is around $3,000 for unregulated units. The median income in Manhattan is $57,000 for rent stabilized households compared with $120,000 for unregulated households.

And again this mess is from our nation lacking a uniform and unified income tax and instead has a myriad of property and use taxes propping up very inefficient public services. It is estimated that in New York State that nearly half of the property tax burden is covering the county's share of state medicaid costs. Some part of your inflated rent is due to our not having a single unified health insurance system paid out of federal income tax dollars as well as the taxation of capital at drastically lower rates that wages.



lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
25. The data you link to is from 2017, and the average rental rate
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:21 PM
22 hrs ago

in your stale link includes rentals in all of NYC in the calculation of the average, not just Manhattan. (You do know that the boroughs are part of NYC, right?)





Cha

(309,837 posts)
5. Mahalo, lapucelle.. We Are NY.. We Don't
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:02 PM
Tuesday

Take Orders from Fascist Incompetent Toadies.

This is Priceless! I remember reading about this before.. Mump wants traffic Congestion to Make NYC has bad as possible FOR Putin.. their Big Boss.

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
11. Mahalo, Cha!
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:35 PM
Tuesday

Many New Yorkers were skeptical about the program, but it's been more successful than any of us dreamed. It's time to invest in the future.



Cha

(309,837 posts)
13. Yeah, The Future! Resist the
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:49 PM
Tuesday

Tearing Down Of America that Mump is Hell Bent on Doing. They're Attacking Our Country.

And, your Gov Hochul is Doing A Fine Job of Showing How It's Done.

💜

ToxMarz

(2,363 posts)
6. There seem to have been an inordinate number of airline mishaps these past couple months
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:03 PM
Tuesday

I don't blame Trump or his administration per se that they have happened, but I have not seen nor heard anything of Sean Duffy even once in this period. I know we would have at least heard an aknowledgment that something had happend from Mayor Pete and that he (and the administration) were at least aware, if not an assurance that we would have answers and something would be done to rectify the situation. No doubt he would also have followed with updates, and measures taken.

From Duffy, nada.

Cha

(309,837 posts)
14. I Do Blame the Fascists Bulllies for Firing
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:54 PM
Tuesday

Hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers.. They were already short staffed.. Why the hell would they do that?!

IbogaProject

(4,286 posts)
10. I dont like it as it has become solely focused on revenue
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:30 PM
Tuesday

It is a tax now after using congestion and air quality as reasons to get approval. Last year State of NY flipped the script and now it has only revenue targets to meet and now is legally required to ignore pricing only enogh to get the preported benefits. Bloomberg's origional proposal wiukd have exempted residents of the zone one transit a day. I'd be happy w even one exemption per week. This is a weak hill to defend as the outer boros and nearby counties hate it. If this was about congestion it would apply during rush hours and such but it is 5am to 9pm weekdays and 9-9 weekends.

lapucelle

(20,053 posts)
15. It's hard to figure our what you're talking about.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:28 PM
Tuesday

The purpose of the program was always to reduce the number of cars coming into the city and to raise money to fund the MTA Capital Plan. The program is accomplishing its stated goals. The cleaner air, reduced commuting time for bus riders (including those coming in from the outer boroughs every day), and increased foot traffic are additional benefits.

I live in Nassau County. I don't hate congestion pricing. I doubt very much that the commuters living in the outer boroughs who come into the city via NYC X buses every day hate it either.

How to talk to your friends and neighbors about congestion pricing

Since tolling started, congestion pricing has become a very hot topic for New Yorkers and onlookers throughout the country weighing in. With early indicators — both anecdotal and empirical — pointing to the program’s success, the heated discussions around the impacts of the program can still get a bit disorienting. So we thought it’d be helpful to go over some basic points about congestion pricing and how to respond to the most common criticisms as we head into the chaotic maelstrom of the post-implementation discourse.

https://www.ridersalliance.org/news/how-to-talk-to-your-friends-and-neighbors-about-congestion-pricing

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