From "globalist" conspiracy theories centered on George Soros to the antisemitism of preferring bankruptcy and early death over incorporating Israel-like improvements to our healthcare system, there is a dangerous antisemitism steeped in our political system.

What the ADL statistics show, it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so.

Do they show a percentage of people who are either side somewhere that I missed?

"In 2024, ADL tabulated 9,354 antisemitic incidents across the United States." from their site.
The population of the US is 340 million. 78% of those are adults.
More than half of U.S. adults (53%) now express an unfavorable opinion of Israel, up from 42% in March 2022
78% of 340 million is 265,200,000. So, there are 265,200,000 adults in the US.
If 53% of those have an unfavorable view of Israel that would be 140,556,000
Lets just say that 1% of those 53% are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, that would be 1,405,560.
Lets say it is .5%. That would be 702,780.
What percent is 9,354 of 702,780? 1.3%.
Even if we halved it to .25% you would still be at less than 3%.
See? That is what I am talking about.
I said "You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic."
You replied "What the ADL statistics show, it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so."
Of course I am just using numbers where my assumptions may be wrong. My assumption is that of the 53% of American adults that have an unfavorable view of Israel 1%, .5%, or even .25% of those are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel. That is why I asked if there were some numbers on it to back up your claim of "What the ADL statistics show, it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so." So, again, out of the people who pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel what percentage are anti-Semitic? Your claim implies that you know since it is "increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so."

ADL tracks the absolute number of antisemitic incidents in the US, not their proportion to the population of the US.

The purpose for it is to document, analyze and compare them to previous years' statistics, not the number of antisemitic incidents per capita. This is what is being counted, compared and analyzed. And guess what: analysis show that over half of antisemitic incidents are associated with anti-Israel activities. Not anti-Israel opinions or sentiments, which remain unaddressed and irrelevant to the aforementioned findings. Not antisemitic incidents in proportion to those sentiments, but the total number of antisemitic incidents which occurred in the course of anti-Israel activities.

You, on the other hand, are trying to belittle these numbers by comparing apples to pork bellies. But however hard you try, over half of antisemitic incidents last year will remain directly tied to anti-Israel activities. Your daring forays into nonsensical math calistenics cannot change this.

Sorry you wasted so much time to come up with such a useless argument, but I can't say I am surprised.

I said "You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic."
You replied "What the ADL statistics show, it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so."
So you are saying a rise of 481 incidents from 2023 to 2024 is an alarming rise in the number of people of the US who used to be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not antisemitic and are now pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and antisemitic? Exactly how many people do you think in the US are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not antisemitic?

Why does this sound so familiar?

What I am saying is exactly what I did say and you seem to confirm. In response to your statement, This is a ridiculous beating of s dead horse, but my response is directly related to your post. "It is increasingly not the case" is the response to "You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic." The latter is increasingly not the case. And you had calculated this increase: exactly 481 incidents.

The rest is you saying stuff, not me.

You don't find an additional 481 antisemitic incidents from the previous all-time high alarming? That's something that you will have to reconcile with yourself. Don't get me involved.

You may say that you meant differently but your words mean something else.
It is increasingly not the case
Not means you are saying what I am saying in not right.
I said You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic.
And you said that is increasingly not the case. Those extra 481 incidents could just be people who are already antisemitic protesting multiple times with the same antisemitic poster. But you wanted to make sure to attack the people who are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not antisemitic. You did it in your main post "Just because you are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, doesn't mean you are NOT antisemitic."
And when I posted that you can be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not antisemitic you said that is it is increasingly not the case, alarmingly so, with no evidence to back that up other than there were more antisemitic acts from 2023-2024. As I stated earlier it could have just been the same people doing multiple protests with the same sign. But no, you seem to want to make people who are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel into antisemites.

Because I can't read what I said myself. Because It's not there in black and white, and you know better.

I think you can be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic.
you say that is increasingly not the case, alarmingly.
If put them together then we have
it is increasingly not the case, alarmingly, that you can be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic.
or
You can be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic but that is increasingly not the case, alarmingly.

If crime is on the rise is it because of
A. Criminals are doing more crime
B. Non-criminals are doing more crime
C. More people who think crime is wrong are doing more crime.

If there are more reported incidences of antisemitism is it because of
A. Anti-Semitic people are protesting more.
B. More people are becoming Anti-Semitic
C. People who are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not antisemitic are becoming more antisemitic?

If there is an increase in antisemitic incident,

A. How does any "because" change it?

It increased.
I never said anything saying it did or didnt.

Eko (9,095 posts)
2. You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic.
Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:36 PM

Beastly Boy (11,993 posts)
3. Also true.
Reply to Eko (Reply #2)
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:38 PM

What the ADL statistics show, it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so.

If you werent saying that it is increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so. in regards to me saying this You can also be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic. Then what was Also true and increasingly not the case and alarmingly so? Did you respond to the wrong post and if so why haven't you said so?
I never said that the incidents were not happening or that the number was wrong or that they weren't going up. All I said was you can be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and not be antisemitic. You're reply was Also true, increasingly not the case. Alarmingly so. Its painfully clear what you meant and what you tried to do in your main post and your reply to me.

They count things like signs and chants as antisemitic incidents.

Anti-Semitism is up because anti-Semites blame, any and all Jews, for Israel's actions, real or imagined.

"From the River to the Sea..." is considered to be anti-semitic. See post #32.

Here is an analysis that throws the ADL Audit into doubt. Turns out only 56% of cases were truly anti-semitic - of criticism of Israel, faulty methodology among other things are removed.

Though the report doesn't highlight it and uses language that obfuscates it and im fact misleads - the ADL uses the "new" IHRA definition of anti-semitism.

But like it or not, this definition is widely accepted around the globe. The prejudicious opinion of your source does not create any obligation on anyone's part to change the definition of antisemitism. It stands, and so does the ADL methodology that adheres to this definition.

I don't trust this "study" at all.

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Actually, definitely not.

As per the cited excerpt:

If they're going with pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel as an example I can see the numbers being inflated but I think the vast majority of people attending protests like that just don't want to see a genocide or an ethnic cleansing happen to an ethnic minority.

Also there are a lot of people that are Islamophobic that back Israel because of what they are doing to a Muslim population.

By all means, prove them wrong.

ADL Inappropriate gesture.

How long does it usually take you to be sure?

Couple of seconds to be a bit more precise.

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Pardon me for not trusting your judgement.

I can find two tweets that will take you a couple of seconds to read that the Earth is flat. Feeling like changing your mind?

You are correct.

A reminder that we here in America are not being told or shown ALL that is going on there.

of the Benjamin Netanyahu government, which is extremely right wing, is not anti-semitic.

by Jonathan Greenblatt, I wouldn't be too sure of that.

I am 100% confident of that, irrespective of what you have seen of Greenblatt's interviews.

what you want to believe.

You’re free to believe whatever you want.

Believe what makes you happy

Why do you keep making the AD report contingent on what I say?

That you’re free to believe whatever you want.

M-kay, I appreciate your permission.

To believe whatever you want.

Disappointing.