not everyone does hotels.

This ICE BS is just unacceptable.

They don't think about hotels and booking ahead like older folks do.
They know they can find somewhere to stay, and use Uber to get there.

Wow. We're going to be so popular all over the world.

stepping foot on U.S. soil again.
This is ridiculous; heck beyond ridiculous.

people travel without booking hotels. Seems like Big Brother is now stalking the USA looking for people to harass and deport. So, are we really safer?

Fixed it for you.

Rec

the newly opened jobs picking fruit, working in slaughterhouses, and putting on rooves (using the antiquated form here in accordance with new American English guidelines) will be vacationing in Hawaii now.

/s

We are fucked

Plus, young girls can get accepted into people's homes for free. I wouldn't recommend it, but it happens.

In Honolulu, place are/were filled with foreign travelers and foreign students.

We are so much safer now

and those killer smiles.

Just backpacking around is how a lot of us boomers saw the world. Eurorail pass, etc

How many of his roach motels received complains of poor sanitation, dirty sheets, bed bugs, and other nasty stuff? Trump doesn't care for anything other than himself and the power he is wielding. He doesn't give a shit for the U.S. tourism industry.

But when I travel abroad (EU / Asia), they often require you to enter your hotel info prior to being allowed inside the country.

...I was asked, each time, to provide proof of a scheduled return flight to the US.
They love Americans there, but they do want us to go home.

Without a valid, verifiable address where you'll be staying. I had to do it even though I was transiting LHR for Dublin...a whole other country!

I went to Europe with an orchestra and choir for a series of concerts. I'm an oboist. I got lots of questions. Was I being paid? Did I have receipts proving my ownership of my oboe? Where was I staying in the UK. I answered the questions. There were about 50 people on that flight going to the same concert series.

I had no idea where we were staying, but the tour bus driver did. Yes, that's my oboe. No, I don't have a receipt. I've owned it for 12 years. No, I wasn't being paid. In fact, it cost me US$3000 to come on this tour. We're all amateur musicians. Then I got waved through.

It's no fun, though, if you're trying to make a point of some kind.

Very powerful. Strongly, even.

When my daughter was in College in 1996, she spent 3 weeks wandering around Europe between semesters. No plans, just went.
She ended up on Temple Hill in Dublin for New Years Eve with no place to stay. A kind and generous couple let her crash in their hotel room. I'm glad she didn't tell us this until after she got home.
Point is that young kids often just play it by ear. Not gonna happen any more in the US.

I was in my late teens/early 20’s - all over Europe. Arrived in Athens without a reservation, also Amsterdam, Rome … worked it out when I got there.

Traveling like that was key in building my self confidence as a young woman going solo much of the time when there wasn’t a friend available to go where I wanted.

This is heartbreaking, and embarrassing.

they are home having babies for Elon Musk. This administration is psycho.

It's not like it's hard to find a room

Without that, they shouldn't have been given boarding passes by whatever airline they flew in on. Even I have to do that as a legal resident of Germany. It's a little over the top, I find, but that is what is on form asked of all passengers who list another county of residence, even US citizens. If I don't do it, I don't get the boarding pass. It's completely stupid. I could give the address of a local Starbucks, and the form would be accepted.

That having been said, if they can establish the financial wherewithal to stay five weeks in Hawai'i, then the CBP staff should have let them in. It's not like two teenage girls from Germany constitute a clear and present danger. Detaining them for days in a detention facility is by far the greater offense than their oversight when filling out the online form, which the airline should have reminded them of prior to even issuing a boarding pass in the first place. It is reasonable to conclude that terrorists were indeed present at their arrival, but they were not civilian German teenagers. Rather, they were the ones wearing U.S. CBP uniforms.

When this makes national headlines in Germany (give it about 8 minutes for the internet, another four hours for the TV news), the number of western Europeans still willing to book summer trips to the USA this summer should drop by another hundred thousand. There go a few million more in sales tax, hotel occupancy tax, and payroll taxes on salaries for service jobs. Republicans and the economy, again.

It's so good to know that the Republicans are looking out for our economy. That is, if watching it slip beneath the surface of the quicksand can be interpreted to be "looking out for our economy." Before posting, I will take a brief look. If there is anything yet in the German online news.

OK, THAT took all of ten seconds!

Zwei deutsche Teenager-Mädchen nach Hawaii-Einreise inhaftiert und deportiert
US-Einreise wird zum Albtraum: Zwei junge Deutsche landen statt am Strand im Gefängnis. Ihr Fall zeigt die verschärften Einreisekontrollen unter der Trump-Regierung und führt zu angepassten Reisewarnungen für die USA.

Two German teenage girls arrested and deported after entering Hawai'i.
US-trip became a nightmare: two young Germans, instead of landing on the beach, landed in jail. Their case demonstrates the stricter immigration controls under the Trump administration, and leads to appropriate travel warnings for the USA.

It's good to have some piece of paper with an address/phone just in case. Even if I don't know where I'm staying after that.

plenty of people just show up somewhere and look at what's available/affordable when they get there.

The first night is all they ask or require. Neither I nor my wife (when traveling solo) has ever been asked to back up a furnished address for the first night's stay. Indeed, I think the online form the airlines give us specifically only asks for the first night. They ask for a street address, or a hotel name if it's a hotel, zip code and the city. We've never been asked for any further details. The CBP people in Hawaii were being really nitpicky and unnecessarily cruel. They definitely did the country more harm than good, as those headlines clearly portend.

like Marriot or Hilton

The place only has to exist. I have never ever been asked to show an actual reservation.

it's great to know we should do this, but they only just graduated from high school, and

travel agents would know, and the US and German consulates know. Any one of them should have advised these girls before flying.

I'm not suggesting that sending them to detention was appropriate. But it is common to require an address within the country at the point of entry (or before, in some countries).

However, no airline had any business issuing them boarding passes without having asked them for the information beforehand. Then, all they had to do was to book some hotel in HNL or Kona or wherever at a refundable rate, and enter that information prior to boarding, and they would have been good. Now, I can understand that two Europeans, especially if they had never been to the USA on their own before, would not be aware of that. However, their airline definitely would have. I am really shocked that they were issued boarding passes without having furnished this information to the airline beforehand. With the airlines I usually fly (Air France, KLM, Delta, Lufthansa, Swissair), there is no way I'll obtain a boarding pass without having first furnished an address their computer verifies as existing.

They also told CBP that they were freelancers and were planning to work while here. A huge no-no with the visas they were on.

If they were so ignorant and foolish to tell a CBP agent they were planning to work, even as a joke, they might as well have signed their expulsion order themselves. I didn’t see that part.

A number of times the forms are distributed and completed mid-air to be ready for customs and immigration on landing (definitely Mexico and Canada - although I don't even recall forms for Canada)), don't recall for other venues . Italy required forms in advance, but I don't recall that the airline checked.
The other countries (Soviet Union, Scandinavia, and Australia) are long enough that I don't remember the details - other than digging digging around to find the local address.

In both cases we had hotels booked only for the first few nights and booked our hotels as we traveled throughout the country.

And that you put the address of those first few nights.

Fiji, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, India, China, Nepal, England, Sweden, Brazil, and the rest of South America. NONE of them.

80's and 90's for sure. When did the requirement hit?

But most of my travel has been 2005 or later. (Soviet Union and Scandinavia were earlier were late 80s). Every immigration form I've completed asks for address at the destination.

I had to get visas for some individual countries. Not once did I have a set place for day one.

It is also sometimes called a traveler entry form, or customs declaration form. You complete it - at some point - before going through customs even for a visit in every country I've ever been to. Here's the US version: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/clearing-cbp/traveler-entry-form. Line 4a is where the local residence goes on this particular form.

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I appreciate the effort. We live in a crave new world.

That is the way youths travel, so they are with peers in a setting where they get lots of interactions with similar people.

I never had advance reservations at the hostels because I didn't know what day I'd be there. It was never a problem, they always had room in the dorm style rooms.

This is so stupid.

Taken in Thailand shortly before leaving for the USA:

Mexico without hotel reservations, choosing to book in after I arrived. I knew where to go but nobody even asked me if I had booked a room. My bet they did the same on their arrival in Thailand. I have known many European and UK travellers that had a one year world ticket and they rarely booked ahead because they might decide to stay longer or shorter times in a particular country. This is very common.

and there are have been so many story lines about gap year world travel, after graduating high school before university, young people in Europe go traveling the world and staying in inexpensive hostels. There are also story lines, where retirees go on world travels. Never knowing where they will go next. This just shows how stupid the us is and the lack of understanding of how other parts of the world function.

Sure there are ways to jump though these hoops, but my guess is far fewer foreign tourists will want to visit our country if they'll be treated like criminals.

There were also some issues with BREXIT screwing up travel within Europe for some folks.

fully prepared to be interrogated. I had answers prepared and papers printed out. Nothing. They didn't ask even one question, just stamped my visa on my US passport and let me go wherever I want. I don't speak the language but I did buy travel health insurance ahead of time in case I needed to show it.

China is a different story because Trump is antagonizing them. Thailand is perfectly safe for Americans to travel and I highly recommend it.

Call me naive, but I have really been taken by surprise by stories like this, about white Europeans (or in one case a New Zealander of European descent) being detained by ICE. We all know Trump likes white people just fine!

I was expecting a big crackdown on people of color, on people from anywhere in Latin America, Africa, and at least some parts of Asia. But i assumed (obviously wrongly) that it would still be smooth sailing for white Europeans like his own forebears. I remember him once complaining about so many people coming here from what he called sh!thole (i.e., majority nonwhite) countries and wondering why more Norwegians (i.e., white Europeans) weren't coming here. I took that as a figurative rolling out of the welcome mat to Eurpeans on his part, but we keep hearing multiple stories of European tourists being treated like criminals!

If old Friedrich Trump (Don the Con's grandfather) found a time machine and tried to enter the U.S. now, I guess he'd be in big trouble!

I'm used to being interrogated/hassled coming back to the US despite being a US born citizen with global entry and TSA precheck (I'm brown) But never expected I would see it happen to white people.

Kudos to Trump for equal opportunity screwing. They've thrown European tourists in prison for several weeks at a time for "working" while on a tourist visa. Very loose definitions of work. Monetized social media is considered work. Babysitting someone's kids in exchange for housing is work.

That's going to push back?

AAA is another one for automobile travel.
American Hotel and Lodging Association is another.
Airlines have one called Airlines for America.
There are others for specific sectors like intercity buses or theme parks or tour operators.

Nice job, gnat brain! Who's the shit-hole country now?

*My apologies to the smart gnats of the world (they're definitely smarter than him)*

I think that if we shoved Agolf $hitler's head up a flea's a$$, that it would roll around like a pebble in a box car.

Darth Marmalade is a perfect reflection of the cretin's who voted for him.

Didn't have a single place booked. Mainly stayed in Youth Hostels.

Going a few weeks to Europe and back to the US at a time - my friend and me had a Hostel book, backpacks, cash, travelers checks and a calling card to check in back home.

That's half the fun of it - not really knowing where you are going to end up.

My SIL & I landed in Paris with a Eurail pass and a Frommer's. No reservations for any hotels because we weren't sure exactly where we were stopping. This was in 1991, so long before internet access. I had an AT&T calling card I was able to use to call home (my Dad was a worrier). One of the cities had phone banks in the Post Offices, but so long ago, I can't remember.

We traveled to France, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Luxembourg & back to France to head home. What an adventure that was for us. 💙

that I didn't know about before. So I would book it while I'm there. Tons of tourists do this.

Story in the DailyBeast:

All those foreign nationals who are supposed to be coming for the Olympics? And the World Cup?

Maybe those will be cancelled. I live in an area that lives and dies by tourism, will be interesting to see how badly they'll do this year.

and fans won't know which teams will advance to the final rounds, therefore which city they are going to go and where to stay, and so on.

A catastrophuck in the making.

Feels like a giant clusterf**k waiting to happen.

Can easily find lodging

They are going to spend 5 weeks in Hawaii without accommodations for the full time they are in the US? Uh no.

Red Flag Number One - coming to work in US on tourist visa.

Red Flag number two - human trafficking/prostitution or drug trafficking.

Red Flag Number Three - not staying with friends or family for all or part of the visit.

When I travelled to Venezuela from the US on a tourist visa in the 70’s/80’s the first questions asked in Venezuela were what is your purpose for visiting and where are you staying?

When I traveled to the US with a Venezuelan resident visa in a US passport the first questions asked were what is the purpose of your visit and where are you staying?

When you are in the Customs area in airport or land port US citizen or not you have very few rights. Many Americans don’t understand this.

Nothing to see here, folks.

Traveling all through Europe. On trains and buses.

When I flew from the US to Poland I would usually stop in the UK and spend a couple nights there. Never have a hotel in advance.

Traveling by train it was usually hostels that I stayed at.

I did get the what's the purpose of the visit question and the accommodations answer would usually be a hostel or a hotel once I get out of here. That was at Gatwick too.

I don't know maybe I just don't get hassled as much being a white make from the US.

Could it be because the UK and Europe see more young folks traveling and using hostels?

My experience in South America is most likely linked to drug smuggling. Venezuela and Colombia share a border.

La Goajira Peninsula was a wild place back in the late 70’s/80’s. My husband received anonymous threats because he was in a helicopter scouting seismic lines there. Apparently someone thought he saw something. Who knows?

Thanks for sharing your story.

We're getting there way too quickly.

these girls had papers. Kilmar Abrego Garcia had papers. Plenty of people currently in detention centers have papers.

I hate every single person that wears that uniform, especially after what they did to my wife.

Not booking a hotel in advance has been a thing for quite some time. Tomorrow I'm flying to New York. I'll make a hotel reservation on Expedia after I've landed, rented a car, and got out of the city.

Can anyone think of more ways to alienate us on the world stage?

I certainly wouldn't dream of spending money on a ticket to the USA not only because of the risk of deportation, but I also wouldn't want to contribute to the US economy. I hate to say it, but it's true.

They had plans of landing out West and driving to my state for a school friend's wedding, taking up to a month to tour the country. They've scaled that back to landing about 2 hours away, and driving to my house. They are staying with me for a few days, then driving back to the airport and going home. I just texted them my cell number in case they get hassled in the airport or along the way.
My kids went to Ireland last week, came back yesterday. They said they didn't have any trouble heading out. They had to go through an extra step in customs in Ireland to return, but that step reduced the amount of time getting through customs in the U.S. They thought the process went smoothly.

What a disgraceful country this has become.

and Canada..I'd look for something clean and cheap.Hawaii hotels are expensive getting word of mouth for a cheap place on the street is what most kids would do.

By the people detaining them. Probably includes a body cavity search also.

Just a bunch of thugs at the borders.

"Your papers, please!" is a phrase commonly associated with police state settings, where functionaries demand identification from civilians. It's a trope used to represent the erosion of individual liberties and the imposition of strict control. The phrase gained popularity through its use in the 1942 film Casablanca, which depicted life in Vichy-controlled Casablanca during World War II.

We are not in a war or even a confrontation with Germany.

Papers please!

WTF

many countries have added travel advisories for USA. They don't like how our government is treating their citizens who clearly did nothing wrong. They had papers. They just didn't have a hotel booking. They should say Trump hotel and see if that works.

Soon, no one will visit this country.

going to be off the market for tourism, while other countries will reap the business. And they will and are.

Impeach this SF!!!

the opening ceremonies of our Made In America Gulags?

guaranteed to tear up the streets of our capital city while efficiently wasting our tax dollars. MAGA!

Why would anyone travel here given all of these stories?