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2016 Postmortem

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Uponthegears

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6. Yea, it does require some reading
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

but since you read at least that far, I owe it to you to try to answer your question.

We have spent over a month with the same two camps (and the usual suspects) pontificating about how their primary candidate would have won or about how the other group's primary candidate was the reason they lost.

I campaigned for one candidate in the primary and actively worked for the other in the general. These arguments are both bullshit.

Hillary ran about as good a campaign as anyone could have. She was AT LEAST as good a candidate as we have run in my lifetime (with the exception of Obama). She, just as Bernie would have been, was saddled with a party hierarchy that not just believed that suburbanites were reachable, but had made strategic decisions regarding the allocation of resources based upon that belief, counted on those voters coming through, and had done so for almost 25 years.

Those voters were never there, they have not been there since Bill ran on (to be honest, offensive) Republican ideas. No Democrat could have won because there is no Democrat who can do what Obama did in terms of turnout among core demographic groups.

We have two camps still fighting over who they liked best, not over how we win elections.

Those are the "blaming fits."

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So the children have won [View all] Uponthegears Dec 2016 OP
Recommended. With reservations. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
So, you set up a false equivalence and demand that everyone meet in the middle... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #2
Thank you for pointing out the typo Uponthegears Dec 2016 #4
Hmmmm... many, many words. What was that you were saying about "little blaming fits?" Squinch Dec 2016 #3
Yea, it does require some reading Uponthegears Dec 2016 #6
Even if I agree with your interpretation, you are at odds with yourself here. JCanete Dec 2016 #5
It has nothing to do with the Clintons Uponthegears Dec 2016 #7
It is a good history lesson, and again I'm in agreement with your argument. JCanete Dec 2016 #9
I think you have a point Uponthegears Dec 2016 #11
What was Hillary's economic message? Exilednight Dec 2016 #8
It is true. Clinton and the DNC thought they could pull this out without JCanete Dec 2016 #10
It's tempting to look at the last three weeks Uponthegears Dec 2016 #12
That is why russ feingold, and Zyper Teachout lost. Feingold lost by a larger percentage than still_one Dec 2016 #14
You know that Uponthegears Dec 2016 #20
I didn't ask about her plan, I asked about her message. Exilednight Dec 2016 #15
In the GE, it was Bernie's message Uponthegears Dec 2016 #16
No it wasn't. What was her 3 to 5 word message? Exilednight Dec 2016 #22
No, let's be honest Uponthegears Dec 2016 #25
There's a difference between a message and a plan. Exilednight Dec 2016 #27
Great point Uponthegears Dec 2016 #28
Just for arguments sake, let's say she didn't have a good message. That does not account for the still_one Dec 2016 #17
A lot of it was her ability to convey her plans I'm a manner Exilednight Dec 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #13
Maybe you should read all the posts Uponthegears Dec 2016 #18
While I was stroking my ego" The last month before the election I did full time phone banking into still_one Dec 2016 #21
See what happens when we assume? (Including myself) Uponthegears Dec 2016 #24
Good analysis. Thanks! nt jalan48 Dec 2016 #19
You are my new favorite poster! hueymahl Dec 2016 #26
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