2016 Postmortem

PatsFan87

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27. Not a lot of argument here, it's all purely speculation at this point.

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 01:13 AM

Dec 2016

I do find the narrative, not by you but by many Clinton supporters, that Bernie only appealed to the far left to be quite interesting though. As the exit polls show, he consistently beat her 2 to 1 with independents in open primaries. And from following his campaign, the support from many laborers, those on the picket lines, etc. was interesting to me. Trump was the candidate getting support with independents on the Republican side and Bernie/Trump had some crossover there. It would have been interesting to see who independents swung for in the general and if some of the Republican primary indies came over to our side- or if some of the Democratic primary voting indies voted for Trump when Hillary was the nominee.

I hated the Kaine pick from the start and it doesn't look like he excited many people. His debate performance was fairly poor as well. Woulda shoulda coulda at this point though.

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Bernie as VP. That's my 2 cents [View all] ALBliberal Dec 2016 OP

Or Elizabeth Warren. SpareribSP Dec 2016 #1

Kaine was "safe" and I personally ALBliberal Dec 2016 #3

Try ego...Bernie or Warren would have been an admission of need/vulnerability BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #2

That's an interesting take that I admittedly didn't think too much about. SpareribSP Dec 2016 #4

I think you're right, but I also think she didn't really buy what Sanders and Warren were selling. JudyM Dec 2016 #11

Doubt she makes the same choice if she had to do it all over again BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #13

I never thought it was that. I think she figured she had it in the bag, yes. But the choice was Grown2Hate Dec 2016 #20

I agree but I don't think she would've been able to stomach him even if she did see the tsunami. JudyM Dec 2016 #28

There was never any way he'd have been on the ticket with her, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #5

Bernie had true followers. ALBliberal Dec 2016 #7

The way to have capitalized it was to have nominated him. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #10

Thank you !! pangaia Dec 2016 #32

If sanders had some kind of assurance from her that he'd be granted authority to manage bold actions JudyM Dec 2016 #14

I will say I missed that. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #18

It was a video of him being interviewed on a talk show or news show this week. It surprised me, too, JudyM Dec 2016 #24

If he only said that recently, it doesn't really mean much, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #38

Maybe but I doubt he'd say it now if he hadn't thought similarly before. JudyM Dec 2016 #39

It's interesting that he would have taken it, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #40

They would've probably won but might've been a tad too activist for our corporate sponsors to allow. JudyM Dec 2016 #41

It wouldn't have been a good choice. TexasTowelie Dec 2016 #6

'Anything negative that Bernie said against Hillary during the primaries' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #8

All good points. ALBliberal Dec 2016 #9

Let's not forget that PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #12

Keep in mind that those winning percentages that you mention TexasTowelie Dec 2016 #22

Not a lot of argument here, it's all purely speculation at this point. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #27

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda Me. Dec 2016 #15

Me too... I was begging for her to pick him budkin Dec 2016 #16

Hillary picked Tim Kaine for the same reason... Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #19

I don't think this is a reasonable conclusion. StevieM Dec 2016 #25

Good point Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #29

So much for "Stronger Together." n/t Efilroft Sul Dec 2016 #23

Moving forward Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #30

Ugh. This shit again. Squinch Dec 2016 #17

Enough, already....let it go. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #21

Face the danger. WheelWalker Dec 2016 #26

I agree. kerouac2 Dec 2016 #31

The problem there is that Sanders basically ran against the Democratic party ucrdem Dec 2016 #33

yes. unify. excite the base. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #34

Our ticket was as WHITE as the GOP's. BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #35

But, He doesn't speak spanish killbotfactory Dec 2016 #36

Fyi, it might be best to just NWCorona Dec 2016 #37