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In reply to the discussion: Why I Debated Curtis Yarvin at Harvard - Danielle Allen oped WSJ (scary ideas) [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(104,122 posts)6. Sadly, the far right - the guys now in the Trump regime, and the money behind them - have taken him seriously for years
We were talking about him on DU in 2016 and 2017:
"Democracy is as most writers before the 19th century agreed an ineffective and destructive system of government," Moldbug writes. Moldbug doesn't actually like the term "democracy." He prefers "demotism," or rule of the people, a label under which he sweeps modern-day developed democracies like the US or Western Europe but also the former Soviet bloc, Nazism, and fascism. "Universalist lawful democracy is the least demotist of demotisms, Demotism Lite if you will," he writes. "Compared to Communism and Nazism, there's much to be said for it. But this is a rather low bar."
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The neoreactionaries are a distinctly '00s and '10s phenomenon, but they draw on the racialist and traditionalist arguments of a much older movement: paleoconservatism.
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016166026
Before he emerged on the political scene, an obscure Silicon Valley computer programmer with ties to Trump backer and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel was explaining his behavior. Curtis Yarvin, the self-proclaimed neoreactionary who blogs under the name Mencius Moldbug, attracted a following in 2008 when he published a wordy treatise asserting, among other things, that nonsense is a more effective organizing tool than the truth. When the organizer of a computer science conference canceled Yarvins appearance following an outcry over his blogging under his nom de web, Bannon took note: Breitbart News decried the act of censorship in an article about the programmer-bloggers dismissal.
Moldbugs dense, discursive musings on historyWhats so bad about the Nazis? he asks in one 2008 post that condemns the Holocaust but questions the moral superiority of the Alliesinclude a belief in the utility of spreading misinformation that now looks like a template for Trumps approach to truth. To believe in nonsense is an unforgeable (sic) demonstration of loyalty. It serves as a political uniform. And if you have a uniform, you have an army, he writes in a May 2008 post.
In one January 2008 post, titled How I stopped believing in democracy, he decries the Georgetownist worldview of elites like the late diplomat George Kennan. Moldbugs writings, coming amid the failure of the U.S. state-building project in Iraq, are hard to parse clearly and are open to multiple interpretations, but the author seems aware that his views are provocative. It's been a while since I posted anything really controversial and offensive here, he begins in a July 25, 2007, post explaining why he associates democracy with war, tyranny, destruction and poverty.
Moldbug, who does not do interviews and could not be reached for this story, has reportedly opened up a line to the White House, communicating with Bannon and his aides through an intermediary, according to a source. Yarvin said he has never spoken with Bannon. During the transition, he made clear his deep skepticism that the Russians were behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the source saida message that Trump himself reiterated several times.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/steve-bannon-books-reading-list-214745
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028613053
The Moldbug Variations: Feudalism is the new conservatism
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016194547
Three years ago, Peter Thiel called me a conspiracy theorist at a Baffler-hosted debate in New York between him and David Graeber. What prompted the characteristically winking and dismissive Thielian deflection was a question from a New York Times reporter, concerning a story on this very blog by yours truly. The story detailed connections between the democracy-loathing venture capitalist and a prolific, flowery neo-feudalist blogger who called himself Mencius Moldbug.
Moldbug was comfortably anonymous, with a modest but influential following in Silicon Valley circles, until TechCrunch revealed his identity as Curtis Yarvin, a San Francisco software engineer whose strange and quixotic startup, Tlön, had garnered some investment capital from Thiel. Moldbugs moribund blog remains one of the ur-texts of the neoreactionary movement, a subset of what is now euphemistically termed the alt-right, but which I characterized at the timemore accurately, I thinkas the mouthbreathing Machiavellis of the silicon reich.
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Yarvin believes there is no such thing as democracyand Thiel has said as much, as well. Yarvins stunted political imagination prizes strict hierarchiesdespotisms, monarchies, and experimental new feudalism via a patchwork of corporate fiefdoms managed by absolute dictators who might be appointed by a vote of property-owning shareholders. Unlike some advocates of Silicon Valley secessionism, Yarvin has never been shy in acknowledging that this amounts to a revolution and would require the forcible overthrow of the established order. He advised, for instance, that the new dictator of California should throw the old elected governor in Alcatraz, and then briskly proceed to pack the government with Google guys.
Yarvins Dark Enlightenment dogma also is steeped in pseudoscientific racism. Yarvin preaches that intelligence is determined in large part by the laws of human biodiversitywhich hold, in his telling, that white people are congenitally smarter than black and brown people, and that Chinese people may be the smartest of all. It takes no great stretch of the imagination to see how a blood-and-soil white nationalist like Bannon and a racist bomb thrower like Donald Good Genes Trump would find a great deal of reassurance in this toxic philosophy.
https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016194547
If a Harvard professor says she's surprised by his influence among Harvard students, then a debate to expose seems worthwhile.
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Why I Debated Curtis Yarvin at Harvard - Danielle Allen oped WSJ (scary ideas) [View all]
question everything
May 8
OP
Sadly, the far right - the guys now in the Trump regime, and the money behind them - have taken him seriously for years
muriel_volestrangler
May 11
#6