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SorellaLaBefana

(520 posts)
Sat May 23, 2026, 07:51 AM 14 hrs ago

In Other Dystopian News: WiFI Routers can now Potentially Passively ID individuals

Ordinary WiFi can now identify people with near perfect accuracy
...Summary:

Scientists in Germany have demonstrated a startling new form of surveillance: identifying people using nothing more than ordinary WiFi signals. By analyzing how radio waves bounce around a room, researchers can effectively “see” and recognize individuals — even if they are not carrying a device and even if their phone is turned off...

..."This technology turns every router into a potential means for surveillance...If you regularly pass by a café that operates a WiFi network, you could be identified there without noticing it and be recognized later -- for example by public authorities or companies"...

...intelligence agencies or cybercriminals currently have easier ways to monitor people, including hacked security cameras or internet connected doorbells. However...WiFi networks pose a unique concern because they are nearly everywhere and largely invisible...

Source: Science Daily Report of German Study

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In Other Dystopian News: WiFI Routers can now Potentially Passively ID individuals (Original Post) SorellaLaBefana 14 hrs ago OP
I wonder if VPN protects you from that? lostincalifornia 14 hrs ago #1
Seems unlikely as VPN is still using WiFi signals. Source states "... SorellaLaBefana 14 hrs ago #2
Then best thing to do if you are using a government phone, and concerned about tracking lostincalifornia 13 hrs ago #7
No Ponietz 14 hrs ago #3
No. It's just like visible light. NutmegYankee 14 hrs ago #4
Thanks. Easy answer. Turn off one's government phone unless you need to use it, and lostincalifornia 13 hrs ago #8
It's not the phone. NutmegYankee 12 hrs ago #10
So if you go to starbucks with your phone off, how is the WIFI at starbucks going to know it lostincalifornia 10 hrs ago #11
It's possible with AI. NutmegYankee 6 hrs ago #13
I see a market orangecrush 14 hrs ago #5
Interesting. Those are widely available now. Some electric cars automatically open their lostincalifornia 13 hrs ago #9
Stories like this tend to be more theoretical than practical Renew Deal 14 hrs ago #6
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SorellaLaBefana

(520 posts)
2. Seems unlikely as VPN is still using WiFi signals. Source states "...
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:06 AM
14 hrs ago
...Previous approaches often depended on channel state information (CSI), which measures how radio signals change after bouncing off walls, furniture, and people. The new technique instead takes advantage of normal communication between WiFi routers and connected devices...

lostincalifornia

(5,574 posts)
7. Then best thing to do if you are using a government phone, and concerned about tracking
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:02 AM
13 hrs ago

is turning off the phone except when needed to use it, and any communication on those phone should assume the conversations are being monitored.

That is interesting since VPN will definitely giving you a different IP address through DHCP, and you can even get a static IP address through VPN's such as NORD VPN. If you use a public wifi plus a VPN it would be interesting to understand how they would do this through a public router?

That being said, if big brother is comprising a list of people, they should already have that list if you have a government phone, so there is not much one can do about that.

NutmegYankee

(16,487 posts)
4. No. It's just like visible light.
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:17 AM
14 hrs ago

The waves reflect off of you and other surfaces in the room and can be measured to "see" you.

lostincalifornia

(5,574 posts)
8. Thanks. Easy answer. Turn off one's government phone unless you need to use it, and
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:05 AM
13 hrs ago

only use it in a location you are comfortable in, and assume you are being monitored.

NutmegYankee

(16,487 posts)
10. It's not the phone.
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:56 AM
12 hrs ago

The WIFI signal from the router radiates out as a wave - just like light from a light bulb. Just like a light can illuminate you, the signal does the same. You could have no phone on you and potentially still be tracked.

lostincalifornia

(5,574 posts)
11. So if you go to starbucks with your phone off, how is the WIFI at starbucks going to know it
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:59 AM
10 hrs ago

is you specifically?

lostincalifornia

(5,574 posts)
9. Interesting. Those are widely available now. Some electric cars automatically open their
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:06 AM
13 hrs ago

door handles when someone approaches, and some faraday case block those handles from opening, with a button emblem on the outside of the case to manually press the unlock button.

Renew Deal

(85,375 posts)
6. Stories like this tend to be more theoretical than practical
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:43 AM
14 hrs ago

Like the idea that data can be read by monitoring hard drive lights. Good luck with that.

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